"broky and jcobbb will be sh*t again", Spirit should make two changes, and are Vitality the GOAT?

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So, Jack.
Hi, Sam.

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I notice you've got a thing on
your head.

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Yes, it's it's nearly Christmas.
Do you think that's right?

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Christmas has ended.
Suitable for our serious

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podcast.
I think this is maybe the most

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serious thing I've ever done on
the show.

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I'm very serious about
Christmas.

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Are you?
Yes.

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What's your what's your
Christmas traditions?

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Talk me through.
Wake up, well, I want to go

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through old school Christmas
because I don't drink anymore,

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but wake up, beer, presents,
beer, big sort of breakfast Y

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brunch, you know what I mean?
Go see the grandparents, get

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that out of the way.
Come back home.

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Beer, massive dinner, roughly 12
pigs of blankets.

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Ideally big trifle.
I met the trifle.

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Trifle's really good beers.
Board games till I till I fall

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asleep.
This is a great day.

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Right.
OK, A lot of beer there.

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Yeah, something to do with
socializing with family.

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You need to soften the blow.
But you don't drink now.

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No.
So how are you going to deal

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with your family this year?
Well, I've moved out of, so

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maybe they'll be happy to see me
this time.

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I'm not sure.
Don't.

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You just spend Christmas on your
own like a sad little man.

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I could I could sit at my desk
in this hat and and not drink

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beer, but that would be quite,
quite awful.

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It would be quite miserable,
wouldn't it?

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What's on your Christmas list,
Sam?

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On my Christmas list.
Diamond coin, sorry.

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Do you know what, Jack?
Tell me.

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It's new viewers for this
podcast, so should we give them

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a reason to listen?
We should.

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Go run the intro.
So, Jack, you know how a minute

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ago I was talking about sad
little men?

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Yes, particularly, well, I
think, I think there's going to

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be a sad little man this
Christmas over in in Canada

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because Hex won't be continuing
with M80.

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Yeah, I'm a little shocked, I'll
be honest, because he was pretty

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good and I think they did work
very well at the major.

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So it seems it seems he's a
little shocked as well, to be

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fair.
I mean for for for non video a.

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Little surprised, as he says.
Yes for non video watchers

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enjoyers I hope audio.
Only listeners.

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Audio files, X tweeted.
Safe to say I was a little

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surprised when I was told I
wouldn't be rejoining them for

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next season.
But nonetheless, I love playing

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with the guys and they were some
of my most favorite teammates to

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play with.
Now, not really surprised by

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that considering some of the
shot he's played before.

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But yeah, it's just strange to
me.

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So we'll talk about who they're
bringing in.

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They're bringing in JBA,
formerly of Wild Card and

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everyone say from that hellhole.
I was just about to say on the

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wild card topic though because
this is like now there's two

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orgs that are making decisions,
kind of not consulting the

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players.
Like I think Jaber JBA is good

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obviously, but like you see that
much better than Hex, especially

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if the team seemed quite happy
to have Hexed.

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Yeah, I don't really.
I don't.

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I don't really get this move if
I'm being honest.

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He is like 12, right?
So 21. 21. 21.

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According to this here HLTV
article, like he's really good.

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He's really good and maybe his
ceiling is higher than.

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Higher.
Hex, but like, I think Hex

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really slotted him well on Mae
and he actually made them quite

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dangerous.
They just, they just seemed

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vibe.
They seemed like they were all

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like things were going well.
So it does seem like a little

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bit of a shock.
I'll be if I'm if I'm being

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frank.
Yeah, I just don't I don't

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really get this one, but I, you
know, I like Mae, so I hope it I

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hope it works out for them.
Yes.

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What's next, producer Charlie?
What's next in Santa's sack of

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roster moves?
Yeah, brilliant, Brilliant.

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So Australis are fucked.
There's there's no other way to

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say Australis are fucked.
So like.

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That's a new thing, like them
being.

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Well, well, quite.
But they've not just been

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attached to a perpetual fucking
machine for the last four years.

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What's the What's the name of a
fucking machine?

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Me, me.
Dwayne Johnson.

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No, that's the smashing machine.
close enough.

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Close enough.
Yeah, that will do.

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So smashing machine Australis
have been fucked by Dwayne the

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Carter Johnson and a report came
out that Device will be leaving.

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He's off to 100 thieves as 100
videos video enjoyers can now

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see.
And then another report came out

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to say that Magisk won't be
continuing with the team, but

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also that Stan won't be
returning.

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So I think there's a, there's a
few things to break down here,

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Jack.
I'll let you pick which one we

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start with.
Well the caveat of them not

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paying anyone for the end of the
year maybe is is something to to

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look at.
Are they cooked as an org?

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No, this would.
Be by the way, this would be the

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Jonas Gunderson.
Hat trick.

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I'd just like to point out
Australia's don't have money

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problems, they have cash flow
problems.

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So they're two very different
things and idiots think cash

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flow means that they're broke.
They aren't broke, they just

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have cash flow problems.
Carry on.

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OK, I'm not broke, I just have
cash.

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I thought Madisk was pretty good
when he joined and then

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regressed it to the mean and was
just then kind of buns again.

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Device has just not been good,
unfortunately.

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The, the, the, The thing is, is
that Steer is the best player on

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this team, and that's alarming,
really.

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Yeah, I mean.
Not that I think steers bad.

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No, he's not bad.
On a name of those on a team

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with those names, he he should
be your 4th best player.

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He he's not bad and he's
probably better than I give him

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credit for, but he's not like
him.

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He's not the player that you
want leading the line for your

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trophy contending team.
And I think like on on the

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majestic point, I'm surprised
they're not keeping him on like

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I don't.
It's unlikely he's got somewhere

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else to go.
Yeah, I I just think like a lot.

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Of demand for.
Him listen, he he's way past his

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best, but he's at least stable,
and I think that's the type of

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thing australis need when half
the players decide they don't

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want to play yeah, any any given
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The device part is the more
interesting part because

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obviously there is also some
rumors that he won't even be

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Orping on 100 thieves that I've
heard a little bit to be honest.

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I'm just.
Kind of gross.

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I'm kind of just excited to see
how this time the Thieves team

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comes together.
I said this last week right

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about one of the major 2 ends.
We can see the roster, but it

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just could be kind of kind of
fun, right?

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Pretty Charlie is searching, but
no, yeah, like, it probably

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won't be very good, but I don't
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It just the thing that matters
is who the core is, right?

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Who they actually sign.
And like still kind of think

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that it'll be game illusion
whether that includes PR or ZTR

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surely.
I, I don't think so.

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I think device will be open.
Well, maybe, but like there's a

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number of players that can make
up the game of Legion core.

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Dust was saying that the game of
Legion move is completely off.

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But there's, you know, there's a
number of players, oh, there's a

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number of orgs that are looking
to buy cores.

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Game Allegiance aren't the only
core that can be bought.

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I would say much more other than
that, other than no one would

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believe the money that is being
thrown around.

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Like whatever you think the
money is for the Game Allegiance

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core, you may as well add on
another Zero all.

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That, yeah.
Like it's not that high, but it

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is like.
Closer to that high than even

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not.
Yeah, you'd think I was taking

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the piss if I told you.
Do we?

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Do we how do how do we feel
about about, you know, the vRS

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consequence that now cores are
are sold opposed to building

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teams out of pieces?
And also like, obviously the way

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that leads onto the Falcons
thing of buying a coal and then

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get in the Ross that you want
after like 12 months.

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But you just have to do it one
at a time.

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Do you know what I mean?
I mean, I think it's pretty

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dangerous, right?
Yeah, I know because of the

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thing too.
I think like in one aspect, OK,

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now again, I'm not going to say
the values because I don't know

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how much I can I can say, but as
a, as an arbitrary number and

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this is higher than what I can
say.

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But let's say there are, there
are 5 orgs looking to come into

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the game and in total what they
spend will add up to 10 million.

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That is in theory 10 million
that in some degree trickles

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down right?
Like let's say org.

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Org one buys org A score.
Well now org A needs to buy a

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core.
So they buy a core off a lower

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down team and then that team.
I mean, granted, they could take

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their money and run or they, you
know, sign another call.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and a lot of money starts

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getting circulated around.
But at the same time, we always

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talk about bubbles in E sports
and this really feels to me like

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a very dangerous bubble.
Well, I think like also buyouts

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are kind of ridiculous.
And this is, this is we spoke a

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few probably a few months ago
about like how like the agents

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have kind of, I would say,
arbitrarily inflated the buyouts

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of players and they've affected
careers in some in some sense.

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But also like obviously an agent
will tell you you're actually

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with five mil, not not 4 mil
because they're getting a cut of

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that.
I mean, if you're getting 20%,

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yeah, you 20% of an actual
million is, is a lot, right?

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So yeah, I think, I don't know
if it's, but I just don't know

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if it's good for the health of
the actual competitive scene

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because we're not building teams
that are the best, we're

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building teams that get you
invites.

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Yeah.
And then eventually you.

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Host which which then kind of
becomes, which kind of becomes

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its own partner system in a way.
Well, yeah, you.

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Have basically have to front,
you have to front rather than a

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franchise fee, you're fronting a
core fee.

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Do you know what I mean?
And all the cores know if, if,

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if you think you're buying a
core that gets the major, you

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can say, well, this is a major
qualifying core.

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So we know you'll make X amount
of money from them.

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So they're going to cost you 3
times that.

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Do you know what I mean?
So.

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Well, this, this is the thing
that also concerns me is I

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cannot for the life of me the
money I've been told see the ROI

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at all.
Yeah.

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Like I, I don't even think like
it's even possible to get a

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return on that investment.
Is BC game making money like

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like from from that E sports
division?

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I know they're like a massive
casino so I don't know if they

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even really care but.
Like, I mean, maybe they just

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view it as a loss leader, right?
Yeah, is there I mean, sure.

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I mean I wouldn't know about the
side otherwise.

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So I guess it works for them,
which is crazy that E sports

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should be a loss leader for you,
but that that's gamba.

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Oh, they have like.
They have serious money.

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I don't think they sponsor a
Premier League team or they were

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going to sponsor a Premier
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Crazy.
I can't remember who it.

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Was but yeah sure, I guess
they're about example right

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because they like they have like
a you know they're owned or they

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are already an existing business
but like I guess a heroic for

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example right like that all is
not they're not winning a lot

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are they really I like the
heroic team but.

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I'm not saying anything.
OK, sure.

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What I mean though is I, I don't
know.

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I just.
No, but OK.

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But if you're in the position
of.

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Like Falcons, are we going to
make money from their team?

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How many majors are the Falcons
need to win to pay off who they

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bought?
Oh who they bought already?

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Like probably free.
And that's just buyers.

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That's not the salaries they're
paying.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, every.

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No.
You know, but this is the thing.

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But like if you're if you're in
the heroic position where you're

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the type of.
People are like.

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Yearly farm out a core that's
probably quite good.

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But my question is, is like what
happens when those teams that

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have been consistently buying
cores doesn't work?

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Like we've all seen what's
happening with BC game at the

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moment.
You know the bench necks or the

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bench Sassanito and do is just
he's guaranteed gone.

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There's no way they're getting
rid of two of them and not free

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with the fucking vRS ranking
they have.

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And they're not going to get rid
of Russian.

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Speaking coal, right?
They're not going to get rid of

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the Counter Strike equivalent of
cancer electronic like they will

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buy.
They will be buying a core.

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They they absolutely will be.
Which Charlie, if you just pull

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up the HLTV rankings real quick,
Get on the get on the vRS

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fuckers.
Are they buying?

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Well, I think they've got two
options.

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I think bait is 1.
You have one's fanatic.

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Of course.
Yeah, they're Ukrainian.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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And they go Ukrainian, which
which then creates the

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interesting conversation of, OK,
you've got simple, now you're

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going to have Jambo.
So who who walks there?

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Or does Jambo just get
deckstered?

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Probably.
Which is the new version of

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naughty, by the way, is is
getting deckstered is when

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you're part of a core and they
have no intention to ever keep

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you.
But then like you said, it's

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it's who do who do fanatic move
on to because who is?

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And The thing is, you're never
going to be buying.

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You're not buying AH for you.
You're not buying from above,

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you're buying from below.
So.

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But you get the best pieces from
Ecstatic.

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I mean, fanatic, not a harrowing
team, by the way.

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Yeah, it's not good.
That guy is freaky.

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I mean, Cyrus pretty good.
I'm sorry, it's good, but it's

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fucking terrifying like.
It looks.

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Like their sleeve was a ghoul.
Sorry mate, isn't.

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In all seriousness, in all
seriousness, sorry is someone

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that Australia should be looking
at for their team.

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Yeah, and to go in a field and
scarecrows away from them.

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Sorry, I've got to get some
serious anatics.

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He's a Charlie's type thing.
I think he's going to tell me

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he's going to cut this bit out
because.

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I'm please, Phil.
Yeah, no.

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He's a ginger Danish.
Person.

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I don't think I've ever no there
must be a ginger Danish person.

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He's got a proper Danish name as
well.

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Like he's, he's got to be legit.
He's God that is crazy Danish.

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Should he stop insult in the
poor kid?

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He's 90.
He's.

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Got he's got a 119 rating.
He's he's obviously good at the

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game.
He can probably take it.

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Yeah.
So the point, yeah, the point

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is, yeah, this just cause like
our team's just going to get

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like hollowed out and then fold.
Like if you're, let's be

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realistic, let's be realistic.
Do you then solve them F to

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let's say not be all right or to
a good team maybe?

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Crimson's.
I was going to say that, but I

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feel like that was seriously.
And then Crim's just like, well,

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I've had enough now.
Time to hang up the mouse, you

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know?
And then he starts playing the

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game.
Which?

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Is about that time.
Like I don't want for that.

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I don't want for that guys, Yes,
but like if you lose your core.

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No, but you just you just buy
the next one down.

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But this is what you.
Do then you will perpetually

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exist in this like mid tier of
of shit like you're not actually

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going to.
Get yeah, but you'll be making

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shit tons of money.
I mean, yeah, selling out to BC.

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Game, although play, isn't it?
Although based on what I've

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heard, maybe not in fanatics
case, but you know, yeah, just

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throwing that one.
Out should should we should we

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just start a team that would we
just sell to BC game every year?

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So I was going to make a comment
then.

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Money printing machine.
Hey, Charlie, peep this out.

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Jack.
Jack.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no.

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We, we build the team.
It's us and we just find free,

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good people.
And then.

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Oh, right, yeah.
Train them into being good.

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Right.
And you and I are going to do

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that, right?
Potentially.

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Should we look at our face
accounts or should?

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We well, I would just, I would
like the just the profit really.

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I don't care about playing, I
just want to sell my team to.

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Be so we need we need 5 good
people then. 4.

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Who's the 5th?
You can play, I'll coach, I'll

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do the finance anyway.
I I My point is.

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We'll talk about.
That it's very lucrative to have

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Ato two team right now I would
say.

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I think so, I think.
Or rather to.

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Be a Tier 2 all I guess is more.
Accurate in a circular or so

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Ukrainian, but yeah I agree.
Also losing losing Karen, right?

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So yeah, they're losing a Slim
Shady.

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If if you are some.
Lookers and see.

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But if you are around the these
ranks like short. 40 to 20,

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yeah.
I think the way you've got to

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think about it, and it's the way
you've got to think about it for

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both the teams above and these
teams, like if you're BC game,

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you've got simple, right?
You've got to start.

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Sorry, can we just X5G7V is back
on the team?

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Yeah, I noticed that the other
day.

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Steam Guard is back.
That's awesome.

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Yeah, it's good.
Anyway.

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Anyway, anyway, the news.
The news.

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If you're if you're BC game, you
have a star in simple, you have

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electronic like if you then add
in free players from a decent

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core, in theory, you know, you
improve upon their vRS ranking

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because of the stars you've
already got.

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So then you go to fanatic.
I don't know where you're

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scrolling to, producer Charlie.
I'm talking about fanatic

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Nelson, scroll back down.
No, scroll back.

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Producer Charlie.
You are ruining my life brother.

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Go back, go back.
Jimmy, I'll pull that out.

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Go back.
Yeah, I could see that from the

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vRS ranking screen we were on,
you twat.

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Thank you.
That would be.

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Horrible.
No.

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Producer Charlie.
No.

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He's never seen a Julian.
This person, he's probably

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traumatized.
Sheltered and traumatized and

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going to have to cry on the
phone to his mother late.

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Yeah.
Producer Charlie, I'm sorry.

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OK.
But my point is, can you Scroll

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down a little bit more?
By the way, if you're then

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fanatic, you then look at
ecstatic and you think, OK, the

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34th, we aren't losing that much
ground.

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I mean, what?
What is it?

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100 vRS points difference?
120 vRS points different.

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That's the difference like
getting to the major as well.

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That's.
Crazy.

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And we've already got like a
Danish player, a Swedish player,

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like we'll have Scandinavian
team and you get to add the best

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Danish player into did.
They just did they play long

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game, did they?
Did they get Chicasmo for Zife

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or just for this?
Have we just been like 40 chest

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by by what's his name?
Sam Samuelson.

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It would be good, wouldn't it?
I actually, at that point I

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wouldn't blame him.
I really wouldn't blame him,

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actually.
If they get signed into this

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game.
And it's the free Ukrainians.

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Yeah, I'll, I'll rescind my.
I'll I'll, I'll make a public

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statement about something
entirely related, but I'll say

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something.
OK, I'll say something.

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Public statement checkouts
himself.

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That needs to go.
I'm sorry, you can't say that

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shit.
No, that's that's state.

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No, it's not.
Yeah, it is.

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If you're wearing a Christmas
hat on the podcast, you can take

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this from the machine.
It's like that poor boy did.

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Anyway, let's talk about Game of
Legion.

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Charlie, switch on to Ash,
please, son.

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All right, so Ash is gone.
Game of Legion are officially

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dead.
Natural confidence of of

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coaching Hypex and also Kersey.
Kersey and.

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Mainly Kersey.
Yeah, mainly Kersey.

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He's feeling burnt out, so not a
great start to the week for game

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lesion.
They then announced that they

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would be benching, said TR.
That one's a weird one.

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I kind of get it, I think.
Two side reasons, yes, but I do

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think he's a pretty good idea I.
Don't know what I think of him

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really.
I'd like to see him away from

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Ash.
Yeah.

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Because like we all think, Ash
is really good.

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Also, how do you pronounce Ash's
surname?

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It's got to be Batty.
It is Ashley Batty because

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that's.
Something also it is Batty.

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Anyway, back to game elation.
Back to game elation.

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Yeah.
So ZTR is out as they look to

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add more experience to the
roster.

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00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,520
Wouldn't say ZTR is
inexperience.

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And they got snacks.
Which honestly they obviously

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sold into G2, got a bag, knew
it.

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No, knowing he was like
absolutely at game legion level

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and not higher at all.
Not even game Legion level

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carried by.
And they go back.

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I don't think he's even that
bad.

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I think like this cut, the move
kind of makes sense for the.

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Level.
No, he's really not that well,

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they're about to go down the
level, right?

413
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I mean, they're like.
Downward trend.

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00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,280
No, but like let's assume they
hang on to Hypex as well because

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they are losing players 100%
they are losing players like PR.

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The next Polish court is I wrote
about this in the newsletter.

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It's like it's a team called
like Oromond or something.

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Charlie, go on the HLTV
rankings.

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Where's Krasnell?
Because he was in.

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No go on actual HLTV and go on
to regional.

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He Krasnell isn't on.
OK, he he's on X in a circle

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with Hades.
OK, so Orimond is the higher

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HLTV, but Venom is the highest
vRS, higher vRS.

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So you get Venom and.
You're going to get everyone

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that's not innocent.
Yeah, yeah, everyone is not

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innocent.
Which, look, it's not exactly

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00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,360
like.
Teams.

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But have you got 6 each of the
viewpoints?

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What's that about one?
Well they only go up to 1000 to

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be fair, and these lot aren't
playing events that HLTV

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00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,440
respect.
Yeah.

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00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,080
So, yeah, so.
The the Suwonko, I'm going to

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say his name is maybe the most
Polish looking man ever.

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00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,240
Oh he is Polish looking, isn't?
He wait, were they the reason

435
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,520
team?
Were they the reason?

436
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,520
Oh, I think.
Oh, they cheat us.

437
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Or match fixers, I think they're
one of them.

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00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,000
They might be.
Yeah, the name antivirus is

439
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,920
good.
What about spell Baku?

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That's pretty good.
Not as big on that flay

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antivirus.
I'm telling you now though, that

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flay guy, he lives in England.
100% Flay lives in England.

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That is an English trim.
His name's A. 100%.

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Alan Alan.
Alan Krupa, He's second Gen.

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bro.
He's not even fair.

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Mate, he lives in Leeds,
guaranteed.

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His location is listed as
Poland, to be fair.

448
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,120
But all right, fair enough.
And to be fair, he looks like he

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might be an all right player.
Go on, have it.

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Very first.
He's just like a very English

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00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,440
gamertag as well it feels like.
Yeah, but yeah, so I think game

452
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,040
of Legion, Game of Legion are
fucked, like really fucked.

453
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Which is sad, but we'll always
have Paris.

454
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,640
We will.
Do you reckon Ash goes back or

455
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840
does he end up on like a oh?
Mate, he's so fucking gone.

456
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,120
He's so fucking gone.
There is no fucking way.

457
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Like there is no way.
If they lose all the good parts

458
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,960
about that team, he fucking
stays.

459
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680
He'll be there calling up any
Dick heads he can.

460
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,280
Fucking get Carrigan on the
phone, lad.

461
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Get fucking Neo got.
What does Neo do?

462
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,000
We'll talk about him in a bit.
What the fuck does Neo do?

463
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560
He just sort of stands there
looking kind of swaggy and then

464
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,320
sort of says, like, guys, we
need to win the next round.

465
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,680
Yeah.
Pretty much it was like a a less

466
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,720
egregious Taz, but also Robin
was the exact same.

467
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,920
Robin was the exact same.
I don't think Carrigan has ever

468
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,360
wanted a coach who who can tell
him how to play the game like

469
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,440
he.
Wants to no, but at least like

470
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Robin like screamed in his ear
and was like yeah, but Neo just

471
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,400
kind of stands there like
fucking aura fast.

472
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,200
Going No, it's yeah, but he's
good at it.

473
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800
He just looks swagged out.
Yeah.

474
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,400
I fuck.
With that, I think that's all

475
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,200
the roster news.
Any Jack, is that all?

476
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,200
Is that all the roster?
Moves.

477
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760
It's a lot considering.
Oh fuck.

478
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,480
You know, pain.
Pain.

479
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,880
We can't forget pain.
Oh God.

480
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Pain.
Pain of bench, DGT and David

481
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,760
Deus.
Bloody hell, they had one good

482
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,200
result.
Yeah, you know, David Deus.

483
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,160
David Deus.
I mean like getting a semi final

484
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
like a major was really cool.
I was really happy for them.

485
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,160
They've just not worked since.
I hope the line is Fanny.

486
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:49,760
The thing is is NQZ is very good
and bigger 0 is very good so if

487
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,680
they get.
Snow is also quite good, to be

488
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,440
fair.
Oh yes, I think Snow is also

489
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080
great.
So like like he's also like

490
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,280
still perpetually like maybe 19
years old or how old he is now.

491
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Like in San he's the the obvious
pick and I think the Cowsy is

492
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,640
the other player they should get
because I think he's also been

493
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,080
like a sleeper in MLBR and in
the other team he's in is.

494
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,680
He you know what I'd do?
See what I'd do so I'd have a

495
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,600
gamble on instead of like Cowsy
I get looks.

496
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,280
Isn't he also agile?
Yeah.

497
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,120
Well, because you're stop
calling.

498
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,960
Yeah, just let Bigger 0 kill
people and get looks.

499
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,160
There's no idea.
Looks just gone one step further

500
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240
than fucking bigger.
He's won a fucking event.

501
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,320
But why don't you get Demau then
instead get Mr. Grippers?

502
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Because Insani's probably better
than Demau.

503
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,600
He's better than Demau, but if
you've got 2 spots, I'm not

504
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,840
going to tend to know the roles
of of these Brazilian teams.

505
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,400
I'm just being being real, but.
Insani run, shoot.

506
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,120
Yeah, I know this.
Yeah.

507
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Dumar doesn't run shoot as much.
No, but I feel like pain would

508
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,160
need run.
Shoot, man.

509
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Two run shoot or one run shoot
man.

510
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Well, insanity.
Yeah, I guess, Dumar.

511
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,240
Overtime on inferno conversation
yeah no, don't get Dumar as well

512
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,160
get an IGL like try and get try
yeah, but try and get some more

513
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280
consistency pain don't really
have consistency do you they.

514
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880
If Elliott was here, he'd make a
joke about like, French bread,

515
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,600
but.
What like no, I fucked it?

516
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Run the ad break.
So Jack, do you find it hard to

517
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,720
keep up with all the news and
counter strike?

518
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,040
I do.
I took a weekend off and I came

519
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,560
back to six new IG LS3
retirements and apparently

520
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Melvis Water Boy got picked up
by a top 20 team.

521
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,160
Right, that's why I've been
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522
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,680
It's a biweekly e-mail that
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523
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,480
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524
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Read it for three hours while
questioning your life choices.

525
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Yeah, it's like if HLDV had a
baby with your funniest friend

526
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,480
who actually watches every game.
Yeah, quick hits of news, spicy

527
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,520
officer moves, upcoming match
schedules, and even some insider

528
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
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All killer, no filler.

529
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400
And let's be honest, some of
these tournament formats you

530
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360
need a guy just to figure out
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531
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,360
TLDR breaks it all down so you
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540
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541
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,960
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TLDR you don't have time to read

542
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543
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,160
All right, so the the major
playoffs app and Jack as a

544
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,640
general thing, did you enjoy
them?

545
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,360
Did you like them?
Did you have fun?

546
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,680
I enjoyed them up until the semi
finals because.

547
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960
OK.
Spirit through chopper.

548
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,120
It's very, very hard to defend
you.

549
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320
We'll, we'll get to that.
We'll get to that, right?

550
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Just as the bomb, the bomb's
not.

551
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,640
For con Awful.
No, it's a.

552
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Good major.
It's a good, enjoyable major.

553
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,520
The playoffs were the best bit.
Absolutely.

554
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,320
And all the nonsense about group
stages being more fun than the

555
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,880
playoffs.
Is, is, is.

556
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Yeah, it's absolutely just
upset.

557
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,400
It's hogwash, I would say.
Kill that argument with fire.

558
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,640
It's also just just look at look
at the teams.

559
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,560
I'm going to put an Astros at
the phase because they just

560
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,480
should never have made it, but
very stacked, lots of very good

561
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,000
teams.
Yeah, like a very well balanced.

562
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Yeah, I think it was a shame
about the first day.

563
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,760
The games, well, the one game
did not live up to the hype.

564
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,760
The other game went about as I
expected.

565
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,960
But the Friday was great and
some of the other days.

566
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,400
So let's start with the first
game, then Jack Spirit versus

567
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,360
Falcons.
I think this was an absolute

568
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,800
shit game.
I'm just going to put out your

569
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,520
shit and not because.
Not because Spirit.

570
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,360
I like spirit so.
No, not because Spirit won, it

571
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,960
was shit because Falcons were
just fucking awful.

572
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Yeah.
I will say they were so bad.

573
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,960
The nuke game, they just didn't
show up.

574
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,600
I do think like I'm not sure
we're going to comment on the

575
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:48,000
troopers calling the nuke prep
or whatever was was excellent.

576
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600
It was really, really good.
They they just had complete

577
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,800
control of the game, which which
which is great to see that

578
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,040
that's quite high levels.
Yes, Test 2 should not have been

579
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,760
as close as it probably was.
But as you can see by the

580
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,040
ratings, no one really did
anything on Falcons.

581
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,720
And Tess has blessed him.
Like, that's got to be his last,

582
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,480
last tournament, right?
Yeah.

583
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:17,040
So I think with the new game, I
think by contrast to another new

584
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:23,360
game, and by that I mean the
phase Vitality won in the final,

585
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,920
I think the phase Vitality won
was a much better showing of

586
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,360
prep work.
I think of like hardcore prep

587
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,080
work.
I think Spirit just understood

588
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,000
that kicks and bless him, gets
slightly confused on Nuke, a

589
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
little scared to commit
sometimes.

590
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,760
And Chopper was just like, you
know what, let's just go like

591
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,360
shit down their throats a little
bit.

592
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,960
And that really helped me.
It was, it was a terrible

593
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,600
Teeside.
It was a really, really bad

594
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,639
Teeside.
And there was there was points

595
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,600
where like, I don't know what
you guys would have seen on the

596
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:05,360
stream, but in the arena we had
the screen and then on the side

597
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,600
of the screen, it was really
cool.

598
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Actually.
They had a camera that went up

599
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,240
the entirety of the team, of
each team, and you could just

600
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,360
see like Nico was getting so
pissed off.

601
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,840
There was one round he like ran
in through Mini, killed the guy

602
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,520
and the rest of the team just
didn't come out.

603
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,280
And then I think they all died
this way.

604
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,960
Who just sprayed him down?
He also had a very good game, by

605
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,120
the way, to his credit.
He did, but I think a lot of it

606
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,320
was down to how bad Falcons were
playing, especially the DOS 2

607
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,080
ace by the way right there the
the fucking dusty way Sway got

608
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,440
is one of the just.
Should never have gotten.

609
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,000
More than I have ever seen.
Yeah, yeah, because it's like

610
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,040
I've seen eco spray downs that
were harder.

611
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Like, yes, OK, he he was
efficient with bullets.

612
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,800
What the fucking do?
But like, how easy were those

613
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,880
flashes to dodge?
Well, they, they, they just

614
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,120
didn't shoot back, did they?
He.

615
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,400
He Yeah, yeah.
Peak.

616
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,360
Right peak, right peak left.
How shit was the space in like

617
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,720
what an embarrassing round to
lose.

618
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,200
So it was just for me, it was
just a miserable game to watch

619
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,280
because it wasn't either team
playing particularly well.

620
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,080
I don't think, apart from the
the CT half of nuke out spirit.

621
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,280
Like credit where it's due.
Like I just didn't think it was

622
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,960
good.
And and and on your Tessa's

623
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,640
point, he's so fucking out.
Like when Falcons did win

624
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,840
rounds, there was multiple times
that they all fist bumped and

625
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,080
Tessa's did not get a fist bump
like he is.

626
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,400
He's just so out of that team.
And I think I might have

627
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,600
messaged you and said it or I
said it to to Adam, who was

628
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,480
there doing photography for us
at the event.

629
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,720
It just to me, it just feels
like Falcons are going to be

630
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,200
like perpetually cursed until
they actually get the line up

631
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,360
when no one feels like there's a
target on their back.

632
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,520
And I'm not actually sure when
that will be because pesos knew

633
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,760
there was a target on his back.
Like he's been wank ever since

634
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,440
Guy Suki came.
And he would have known there

635
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,600
was a target even before that,
even when he was like playing

636
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:20,040
well, which he never really was.
And he just had a few good maps.

637
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,880
And everyone has like outrageous
confirmation bias and counter

638
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,480
strike.
Like how, how do you how do you

639
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,360
expect like especially when the
majors of the last event of the

640
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,640
season, how do you expect
someone to perform to their best

641
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,720
when they know that nothing they
do matters?

642
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,560
Like Tessa's could have been the
major MVP and he would have been

643
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,960
cut.
Well, I think it's the thing

644
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,880
like, is it better to just say,
Hey, we're venturing after the

645
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,760
major?
Just just so you actually know,

646
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,320
you know, go go make yourself
look good, right?

647
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,480
I don't think any professionals
going to like throw but like if

648
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,200
you know you're currently.
On the no I'm not.

649
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,280
On the, on the, on the shop
window like.

650
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,600
I'm not saying he's throwing,
but I'm just saying.

651
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,240
No, no, no, no.
Nor am I, But I'm saying like,

652
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,320
like it'd be real.
Like like think, thinking you're

653
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960
going to get caught or seeing
rumors is probably far more

654
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,280
horrible than just being told.
This is just all not with us.

655
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,240
Like I don't even think that
helps man.

656
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,800
Like honestly I don't think it
helps.

657
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880
I think there's only so much you
can psych yourself up to do when

658
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,040
you know that it doesn't matter
either way, because like if your

659
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,320
Tess says, you know, you ain't
going to struggle to get a team,

660
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,040
but you're not you're you're too
valuable of a player in terms of

661
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,480
what you can do.
But it but it just showed right,

662
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,320
Like he was just crap.
But then also like, you know,

663
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,800
let's let's let's Fast forward
to Cologne, OK, Whoever Falcon

664
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,000
springs in, which I think based
on what was said on HLTV

665
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,720
confirmed, it's probably Jim
Fat.

666
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:59,240
Like if they aren't the best
team in the world is it kicks

667
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,400
in, who's now feeling that way?
Well, that's the thing like that

668
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,760
there's always going to be
somewhat at fault on this team,

669
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:14,800
right?
And yes, but it'll now be Nico

670
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Wanna see your kicks or or
Kasuke because of just the the

671
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,520
name power they bring, right?
Yeah.

672
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,840
You're not going to bet like
Nikka's haven't been benched.

673
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,000
Monarchies haven't been benched.
They've left.

674
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,600
They've they've been bought.
Do you know what I mean?

675
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,680
I do.
I have opinions on Zonics that I

676
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:38,600
think we're all aware of, Right.
But who else do you get?

677
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,400
That's the other issue.
Who do you who?

678
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:49,840
So I did.
I did an interview.

679
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:06,280
With Maori snake, which for some
reason I actually can't see all

680
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,600
of it.
The file seems to have fucked

681
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,600
up, but that should be going out
tomorrow.

682
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,240
Money sports.net.
So I'll I'll put a a comment in

683
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,800
the with the link to it
tomorrow, but I asked him about

684
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,560
Falcons.
And he he just like was actually

685
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,840
just pretty scathing towards
Zarmic in the sense that there

686
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,520
are other coaches that are doing
a lot more who who who, you

687
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,600
know, also might not have the
five players they want.

688
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Like are you really telling me
that Cycrone wants an IGL with a

689
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,920
45% Teesside win rate?
I highly fucking doubt it.

690
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,200
And yeah, Sonic is like the only
one employing the fucking

691
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,760
methods that he does like these
No PC boot camps.

692
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Like what the fuck are you?
Doing that can't be him that.

693
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,200
Can't get on the server and kill
some cunts.

694
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,600
That's no, that's those fucking
heebie jeebie fucking mental

695
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,760
coaches, man.
No, but like other teams are

696
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,400
fucking heebie jeebie mental
coaches.

697
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Like but what fucking witch
doctors Sonic have you're out of

698
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,600
you're out.
Even how to not get tilted, it's

699
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,760
different than saying yeah,
we're just going to go and hang

700
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,240
out for a week.
You're out.

701
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Yes.
Player plays.

702
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,160
Yes.
You're up some like Dick head

703
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,000
fucking psychologist being like,
Oh yeah, you got to wake up at

704
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
7:00 AM, eat your fucking
Cheerios, drink your fucking

705
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040
apple juice and your fucking
protein shake, and then come sit

706
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,720
down here.
You're not going to play Counter

707
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,160
Strike.
I've not made you wake up to the

708
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,320
thing you're going to enjoy.
Instead you're going to watch

709
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,200
some fucking slideshow with
Captain America's shield, an

710
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,680
aircraft carrier, and shit tons
of jpegs of fire are just as

711
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,320
saying onboarding Caiusu.
Get like fuck off.

712
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,520
It is just like.
Play the fucking game.

713
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,280
Performative corporate bullshit.
On board him in the server.

714
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,760
Yeah.
It's so stupid.

715
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,320
Well, it's like teams have been
good without doing this for

716
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,120
decades.
Why do you think this is the

717
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,200
difference it's going to make?
Just play the game.

718
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200
Maybe it fucking worked with
Australis right?

719
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,280
Maybe it worked in 2018 when
like, you know, people hadn't

720
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,440
even figured out that if you
throw 2 grenades at the same

721
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,880
time, you can do 100 damage.
Or like if someone's rushing, if

722
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,400
someone's rushing you and you
throw a Molotov, it burns them.

723
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,920
Like people hadn't figured this
shit out yet.

724
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,920
Maybe it fucking worked, then
all your shit's being figured

725
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,640
out.
It's fucking solved like.

726
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,920
It is exception fucking blade.
It is just like and like there's

727
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,200
the Sonic tweet of him being
like our CS go will never be as

728
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,040
big as homosex right?
Like I feel like he is actually

729
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,400
just kind of stuck on the stone
ages.

730
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,320
Like everyone moaned and circa
came out because evidence

731
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,000
injuries and stuff that.
Looks like a caveman.

732
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,840
Sure.
You know, now he's kind of done

733
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,520
the opposite.
We're like, OK, he finally

734
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,680
adapted to the things in the
game, made a team that could use

735
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
them, and then hasn't progressed
past that, right?

736
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,920
Again, I still think he's the
most frauded coach ever.

737
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Fraud, fraudulent, lots of
trophies there.

738
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,360
But I think they would have won
him without him to be honest, in

739
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,440
my opinion.
I don't know, like it's such an

740
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:28,640
interesting one with Sonic
because like you never know how

741
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,960
much was Glaive.
You never know how much was

742
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,240
Sonic.
You never know actually just how

743
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,040
much was the arrival of
Majesque.

744
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Like Caribbean Dupree did not
work on a team together.

745
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,280
Yes, they won a major together,
but like they they did get in

746
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
each other's way.
In the dawn of in the era of

747
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,720
role balance, right?
Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't

748
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:53,760
make that team now with the if
you had the pieces on.

749
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Page, but you wouldn't even make
it back then.

750
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,960
Like I think roles were looser
back then, but you kind of you

751
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,840
did kind of have two dedicated
or three dedicated people as in

752
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,120
like this guy uses big point and
click adventure good.

753
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:16,320
This guy runs in first and this
guy like stands in a shadow like

754
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,120
staring at people like.
The hat Man.

755
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,800
The hat man.
Do you want to do a flick to

756
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,360
you?
Wave your little hat around?

757
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Yeah.
I wonder.

758
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000
If a helicopter, I'm not going
to try, but.

759
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,440
No, go on, go on.
Before I get back to my point,

760
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,320
give it.
Give it 12.

761
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,040
No, it's not.
It's a little rigid.

762
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,240
Oh, don't do that.
Don't do that.

763
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,920
Yeah, well, no, probably the
right colour, actually.

764
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,360
Yeah.
So like, roles were still a

765
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,520
thing.
It is, is the point.

766
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,560
And they got in each other's
way.

767
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,720
So it it could just be magic.
I think the interesting part

768
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:02,480
with Sonic is when you get to
Vitality, because Vitality

769
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:10,920
always spoke a lot about their
plan to peak for Paris, and that

770
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,160
clearly worked.
So Zonic clearly has something

771
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,440
because I imagine a lot of that
plan came from him.

772
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,040
But just before that, there was
a point where Apex said that he

773
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,880
said to Zonic that Zonic needs
to let him call his way.

774
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,640
You know, Apex very much took
over the system there.

775
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,160
So I will never call Zonic a
fraud.

776
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,960
Like the guy's a five times
fucking major winner for fuck's

777
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,080
sake.
You do win them.

778
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,600
But the.
Players All right, so you got a

779
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,280
trophy on Steam.
All right, he won a major before

780
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,320
majors were real.
There we go, right?

781
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,600
Paris doesn't count.
Also one of the majors against

782
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,120
the Vanguard did.
The one was against ants.

783
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,640
Right.
We're not doing this.

784
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,800
I'm just saying if we've got a
retcon.

785
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,360
So they only played one team,
did they?

786
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,520
Right.
Yeah.

787
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,280
OK, cool.
Yeah.

788
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,520
The point is not sure Sonic's a
fraud, but also not sure how

789
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,320
legit is the next court final?
Please Charlie Sir, this one

790
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,840
will be very brief because it
was a very brief viewing

791
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,520
experience.
Vitality absolutely finger

792
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,840
blasted the Mongols controllers.
Mate, these aren't really good

793
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,480
enough, are you?
You're just not.

794
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,480
You're not Senzu.
You never will be.

795
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,800
Also, no one was good on that
game.

796
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,000
No, they weren't.
Apart from my goat Mozin, yeah,

797
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,240
no.
No, no they weren't.

798
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,040
But like Control S is noticeably
worse and he started both maps

799
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,040
without getting killed for a
very long time.

800
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,880
But this game, I just didn't
want to talk about it.

801
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,880
It was fucking boring.
Do you want to talk about a a

802
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,840
thing that Mozinho revealed
though and I actually spoke

803
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,360
about.
I actually spoke to JL about

804
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,240
this, he just didn't see the
message.

805
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:18,680
Poor guy.
But before controllers, the

806
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,120
Mongols were trying to get
magics and JL, meaning they're

807
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,600
now confident enough with their
English to communicate in

808
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,320
English for an extended period
of time.

809
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Will the Mongols be the next
team to go somewhat

810
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,480
international?
Maybe.

811
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,520
I'm very curious to see how
Asian CS translates

812
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,000
internationally though a lot
like, I think this is maybe just

813
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:59,840
kind of speculation, but I just,
I don't know how well like like

814
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,000
European cultures, should we
say?

815
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,400
Right?
Kind of obviously there's

816
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
nationality differences, right?
But I think generally like

817
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,880
there's kind of an aligned
culture or whatever, right?

818
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Like a team of a European mix
team is kind of fine.

819
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,640
I wonder if importing from I
guess it's the East West of

820
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:21,920
what?
Right?

821
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,560
Important from Western like
Western players.

822
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,080
Into the Indian team, I feel
like it's.

823
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Make a difference?
I think it may do.

824
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:35,560
No I agree but I feel like it's
more likely that I think it

825
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,200
would either have to be someone
they know very well because they

826
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:47,280
see them all the events like a
Magics or AJL or maybe a Chinese

827
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,960
player who speaks better
English.

828
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,440
Yeah, or like a Kazak for
example, right.

829
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,560
Like that's kind of you still
geographically pretty.

830
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,880
Yeah, I think that.
The thing is also like a an org

831
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,720
called the Mongols, like a just
read.

832
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:04,040
Obviously they're never going to
go like majority anything other

833
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,640
than Mongolian, Are they really?
You don't.

834
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,920
Like not majority, definitely
not majority, but you know, we

835
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,920
did wouldn't see.
But also like like that.

836
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,960
Made in.
Brazil, but that rear atom team

837
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,040
remember with like fozy and
fucking some other.

838
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,320
I try not to.
But right like like that just

839
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,840
never gonna last because you
just, you're barely on that team

840
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,520
you'd like, you just you're not
culturally taught in the team.

841
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,120
You're always going to feel like
the 5th man to the mean, like a

842
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,840
standing period, like jail.
I think it'd be a laugh, and it

843
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,840
might.
Have done a bit.

844
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,920
Better but yeah, you'd also like
you would just have like a fan

845
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,160
base.
Like not they don't have a fan

846
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,960
base, but JL is probably the
most marketable player,

847
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,640
marketable player in CSI think
just personality wise, not even

848
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,400
like in game.
So if you can get with the

849
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,400
standing or signing, it's
probably what happened.

850
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,000
Yeah.
Falcons JL.

851
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Yeah, I'm down.
All right.

852
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,360
Next quarter final I believe is
Fury and Navi.

853
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,920
It is.
It is Fury Navi.

854
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,000
This is the heartbreak, I think
yeah, that's when it all went

855
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,480
wrong.
It was Navi played excellently

856
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,000
and this is this is where prep
just is on Fury didn't didn't

857
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,320
really hit the room running,
I'll be honest, but but Navi

858
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,720
just played this excellently and
to beat Fury on train as as well

859
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,480
as they did seriously like like
after this game.

860
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,240
I I had a lot of faith in
argument in the whole thing.

861
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:39,800
No.
So did I.

862
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,200
And a reminder, by the way, the
last time that those two teams

863
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:49,800
met on train, it was 13 one to
Furia at the end of a reverse

864
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,040
sweep.
Yeah.

865
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Like.
Lesson learned.

866
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:03,440
I so obviously a few players had
a rough series here and it

867
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,880
probably should have even been
too low if Navi didn't throw

868
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,880
that clutch against Fallen which
I missed because I thought he

869
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,240
was fucking saving so I just
went on my phone.

870
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,400
That finna game though, that was
like, if you haven't watched it,

871
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,840
watch the board because that
that was just like what majors

872
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,320
the S?
Yeah, yeah.

873
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Like it was just, it's just a
really beautiful game.

874
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,680
Just just awesome great gracias.
I think I just think this this

875
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:38,040
result is interesting because
like Fury were vast favourites,

876
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,840
they got out prepped to
oblivion.

877
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,760
Maybe they peaked too early but
they like they got fucking dog

878
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,960
done in this game.
I know.

879
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,360
You made a really good point.
And then you just write about

880
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,840
the Yukinda Monodoy.
No, sorry, the Monodoy Wonderful

881
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,160
battle and obviously wonderful
didn't play as good in the final

882
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,040
as he had in this game story as
he did throughout the event.

883
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,040
But I think.
How did they head to head end

884
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,560
up?
No details actually.

885
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,200
Pretty favorable for wonderful.
Performance.

886
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Let's see. 10/10.
OK, even 1010.

887
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,400
But even that, right?
That is like better than most

888
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,240
orphans.
Yeah, against.

889
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,640
Him it's better than most
orphans do.

890
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:36,760
And yeah, I mean, it was it was
why I highlighted it in in the

891
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,160
newsletter, because it's just a
case of, oh, OK, he had more

892
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,640
wonderful had moral kills.
Well, it's it's just like if you

893
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,520
can take that away and wonderful
might be the best a quick player

894
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,960
to do that and Fury are 10 times
weaker.

895
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,120
I was still really surprised by
it, but it made me believe in

896
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,360
Navi and that was that was a fun
thing to have going into the

897
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:09,000
semi finals.
Yeah, I've got to.

898
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,400
I've got to ask.
Yeah, go on.

899
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,920
We can, we can do.
But yeah, before we get into the

900
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:21,120
last quarterfinal, of the eight
teams in the quarters, how many

901
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,120
do you think are making a roster
move within the next let's well,

902
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,320
let's say before the season
starts or you know, before

903
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:40,440
before crack out like I could
5:00 I could see I should say

904
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,280
six or seven.
I.

905
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,800
Think 5.
I don't think vitality will make

906
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,600
a change.
No, they shouldn't.

907
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,160
I don't think Fury will make a
change.

908
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,920
Striker, for some reason you say
unconfirmed, you think Alexi B's

909
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,760
out of Navi.
I can't understand that.

910
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,360
But I think Navi could make a
change.

911
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,760
Yeah, but it's the thing like if
Alexi's out, you're going to

912
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,880
have it in a calling probably
right, and actually goes to

913
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,240
Falcons.
I feel like it's the move that

914
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:13,600
makes sense.
I mean, I do know for a fact

915
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:19,280
someone is out of Navi, I'm just
not going to say who.

916
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,120
Tell me that later.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll fucking

917
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,760
message it right now.
Like it.

918
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,840
I mean, it makes sense, Jack, if
you see the.

919
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Oh, yeah, no, yeah.
Yeah, I know someone is out of

920
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Navi, OK.
OK, so.

921
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,640
But whether they make a change
now you can figure it out for

922
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,840
yourselves.
Clever listeners, Yeah, Mao is.

923
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,400
They're definitely using gym for
that, right?

924
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600
And I think there's another
player on the team who's

925
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,000
probably these needs to this
what I'm saying, really,

926
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,920
Vitality and Furia were the only
two teams in this playoffs who I

927
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,400
think had have confidence in
their roster right now.

928
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,760
Yeah, I mean we've, we've spirit
like.

929
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,840
I don't want them to, but I feel
like they just do need to.

930
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,400
And they they have to start
looking past Chopper like he's

931
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,160
just not good.
It's cadaver, I won't mind it.

932
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:24,320
The the calling against Vitality
was offensively bad, and to

933
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,080
fair, it wasn't exactly great on
just two against Falcons.

934
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,440
No, but.
I think Falcons we know Tesla's

935
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,520
is gone.
He like he just is probably for

936
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Jim Fat I reckon.
Phase like we will talk about

937
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,320
them probably in the in me talk
about the game, but obviously

938
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Jacob didn't really I.
Mean I think.

939
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,280
His his his friend did.
He I think with phase like it

940
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,120
could be the frozen has interest
again.

941
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Maybe they like, maybe they
still cut Brokey before

942
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,840
progression to the mean.
Yeah.

943
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Mouse like you know, phase got
brokey just towards he go there

944
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,960
probably not because phase
broke, but maybe the roll bit

945
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,600
money helps.
If I'm mouse, even if I'm losing

946
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:26,880
gym fat, I'm still looking at
Brollan and I'm thinking there's

947
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,520
probably something there.
But the Mongols will get rid of

948
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,560
controllers.
So I think a lot of these teams

949
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,240
will make change.
And I saw I saw a tweet earlier

950
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:45,400
some guys saying, yeah, so
something about like the roster.

951
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,480
This roster Mania will be really
boring and it's like, mate, if

952
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
you'd heard the things I'd this
will not be pouring WrestleMania

953
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,200
and there might be some things
that take a little bit of time

954
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,680
based on what I've heard.
That's also the thing like I

955
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,200
don't think it's going to be as
cut and dry as this is the this

956
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,640
is the player break before next
year.

957
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,320
This is what happens.
Like, yeah, I think, I think we

958
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,680
will have trickle down.
Well, I mean it wasn't that last

959
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,320
year, right?
Like the player break ended, we

960
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,480
had blast bounty mouse lost
their first game and then Ben

961
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,160
shoot it like.
Yeah, I wish.

962
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,080
I wish we had.
I do wish we had a transfer

963
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,280
window, transfer deadline.
I think it would be fun.

964
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,480
I kind of do as well.
Yeah, that's what final face

965
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,320
mouse.
Face Mouse Mouse.

966
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,520
Yeah, Mouse did shit the bed in
this one, didn't they?

967
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,200
I.
Think for Torgy really.

968
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,960
But but what?
What can you do?

969
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:53,640
Really Massive voice from Mr.
Mr. Stalkans as well, but yeah,

970
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:59,560
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, look, it was fun

971
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,320
to see Brokie play at Brokie's
level again.

972
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:08,160
I'd like to point out Jacob
wasn't great, positive, but you

973
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,600
know, it wasn't great.
Do you know who was bad?

974
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Hey.
Carrigan again.

975
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,760
Yeah, but I'm not going to
criticize him in this game

976
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,440
because I think he did.
Yeah, no, he did.

977
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,720
I mean positions.
Was it not a big game player

978
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,040
bro?
Was it this one?

979
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,920
Was it this game where there was
there was dead smokes outside on

980
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,800
Nuke and Carrigan just walk
through it I think that was.

981
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,880
Against Navi.
But was that against Navi?

982
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,640
But over the way, like the
distraction that caused, just

983
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:50,360
let them split the upper bomb
side and like, you get nothing

984
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,280
for that if you're Kerrigan
stats wise.

985
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,520
But that play, Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

986
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,920
Kept the team outside and won
them the round.

987
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,920
So like, I'm, I'm not going to
criticize Kerrigan.

988
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,240
For this I'm I'm just.
I don't think.

989
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,680
Really.
Yeah.

990
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,160
But this was this was very poor
from from us very.

991
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,960
Very it was terrible for Mouse
and I think it just summed up

992
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,360
everything about them like they
just need to they do need to

993
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,840
make changes in order to go to
the next level.

994
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,480
Like Cyclone needs some help in
the brain department because he

995
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,880
ain't getting it from Brolin and
maybe assertion.

996
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,280
He calls a lot of CT sides.
He is.

997
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,640
He was described to me as the
real captain of the team or the

998
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,320
most captain like.
Which does make sense.

999
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,840
Brolin's very stoic, very quiet,
like even most reader standards.

1000
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,120
He's he's very reserved.
And I just feel like that's not

1001
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,640
really leadership.
Yeah, so so who who knows what

1002
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,000
the future has in store for
Mouse, but was very

1003
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,960
disappointing by the way they
played semi final time.

1004
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,320
Yep, I got a semi.
I bet you didn't watching this

1005
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:13,760
one and Vitality smack spirit.
Well, no spirit through mirage

1006
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,320
massively, particularly one
round with chopper plants for

1007
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,400
calm and messy swing.
Short it it just actually, I

1008
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,680
don't know whether there's a
miscom whatever, just really,

1009
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,080
really not good.
Mesi also is the most important

1010
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,800
player on fidelity.
I have no qualms in in saying

1011
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,680
that.
Not the best, but the most

1012
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,200
important I think.
I'm not sure that's true, but he

1013
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,360
has a shit ton of impact in a
game like that and he's like

1014
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,800
incredibly stable, incredibly
smart.

1015
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,800
That was seen throughout
playoffs.

1016
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:55,280
He's just really good.
I also like I think it's

1017
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:01,800
interesting to say that spirit
through Mirage because I think

1018
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,640
one person free mirage like
sway.

1019
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,240
I don't really blame him, it's
just regression to the meme for

1020
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,160
Sway.
Like he's just not actually.

1021
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Yeah, the the The thing is.
Ever going to be given that

1022
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,560
system?
This is a lost Mirage and the

1023
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,360
way Donk walked off stage
literally crying.

1024
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,400
From the looks of it they would.
That series is over.

1025
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:28,640
Like I also like like The thing
is as well, if they won, Mirage

1026
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,960
does too is probably a closer
game.

1027
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,480
They either win it or they win
the thin up.

1028
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,800
I honestly thought they could
have won and they would have of

1029
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,920
course beaten the phase in the
final.

1030
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,480
This was really bad.
Charlie, pull up spirits map win

1031
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:54,030
rates please.
You need to click on stats.

1032
01:01:54,030 --> 01:02:00,670
Stop being a stat Andy bro.
They first pick dust and have a

1033
01:02:00,670 --> 01:02:05,430
63% win rate and I'm pretty sure
that was lower before the major.

1034
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,920
Yeah, not great.
Is it like their entire game

1035
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,920
plan is just we need dunk to
kill and if he doesn't we're

1036
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:23,400
fucked?
That is a poor reflection on

1037
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,960
chopper but also in mirage or on
mirage.

1038
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:34,480
Chopper tried to run the same
strap like 6 times in 1/2 and I

1039
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,200
don't think it worked once.
Maybe they got one round win.

1040
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:44,320
I think they got crappy a splits
like it just.

1041
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,840
It's also.
Several T side calling.

1042
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,800
Dust too.
I know Anders made a video about

1043
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,320
this divide actually on Twitter.
Maybe you can embedded jolly in

1044
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,040
the video later.
But talking about spirits so

1045
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,920
often hit the B bomb so and dust
too without the door smoke and

1046
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,320
they have like a 30% chance of
winning it.

1047
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,800
And like, obviously smoking is
better, right?

1048
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,480
But even teams who don't, who
don't smoke it are still having

1049
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,040
like 50% like it's 5050.
But they went around like I

1050
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,080
don't know if it's a spacing
thing or just like there's too

1051
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,000
much trust on on OK, Don gets to
kill.

1052
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,160
And also when they do that,
Don's also looking through mid,

1053
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,720
which I think doesn't really
make sense in terms of like a

1054
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,360
dry hit into an open site.
Seems a bad choice, really.

1055
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,440
Yeah.
I mean, Tanil looked better at

1056
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,880
this tournament generally, so I
do think like, he's obviously

1057
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,280
sticking around.
I wonder if Zondix is on his way

1058
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,240
back.
Won't fix her issues if he is.

1059
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,440
That's what I was going to say.
I don't think that that actually

1060
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,760
solves it.
I, I really like Chopper, but I

1061
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:03,880
just, I just don't know if, if,
if, if, if he's got well, the,

1062
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,080
the call.
Out I'm not really funny.

1063
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,840
I find enjoyment of Chopper
fucking mental because it's not

1064
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,520
even like he has a fucking
personality for you to latch on

1065
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,640
to.
It's not like Jane posting

1066
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,160
fucking like philosophical
bullshit on Telegram like he's

1067
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,280
got no personal.
All he's got is the fucking

1068
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,000
thumbs up photo and everyone's
like, no.

1069
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,640
He's just, no, he's.
Just so good.

1070
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,280
He's just lovely.
He's really nice.

1071
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,120
He's really.
Nice.

1072
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,640
Grow warp.
Grow warp.

1073
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,480
OK.
There's a lot of players who are

1074
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,320
really nice.
If they're fucking shit, they're

1075
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,040
fucking shit.
But if they were that bad they

1076
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,560
wouldn't be the semi final.
There's also cut point.

1077
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,680
Right.
Do you see the name at the top

1078
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,960
of their scoreboard?
No.

1079
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,840
No, are you aware of what he did
this major?

1080
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,040
This is why I hate Spirit.
This is why I'm so aggressive

1081
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,960
about them.
Dunk had his best major yet and

1082
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,120
they went out in the semi final
basically without a fucking

1083
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,320
whimper.
No, they, they, they were, were

1084
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,000
doing very, very good on Mirage
until they went to Seaside.

1085
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,080
Like, don't say that.
That's incorrect.

1086
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,240
I don't think it is.
Oh, they were doing very good

1087
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,360
until they weren't.
Like what?

1088
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,960
They had six match points I'm
pretty sure.

1089
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,360
Oh, it wasn't good that.
Through, which is bad, but

1090
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,560
obviously they were.
Going to win.

1091
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,880
They did for them.
Well, they were going to win the

1092
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,360
series, wouldn't they?
They played properly.

1093
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,720
No they probably weren't, they'd
have lost us 2 all the same.

1094
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,520
Playing against the most
resilient team in counter strike

1095
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:41,320
sound Yeah cool.
Like that's nonsense.

1096
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:49,640
Intangible like you cannot have.
I mean also Shiro deserves some

1097
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,640
shit for how shitty played in
that series but you cannot have

1098
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,920
Donk doing what Donk is doing
and not winning all the fucking

1099
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,120
time.
Imagine if Donk was on a.

1100
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,400
Real team all the time man.
It's like that's an unreasonable

1101
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,640
expectation.
Even for a play that good, it's

1102
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,440
unreasonable.
Charlie, can you go on

1103
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,600
Vitality's Likipedia?
Yeah, yeah, they went all the

1104
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,960
time for a bit and then they
stopped.

1105
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,400
For six months, Jack.
Why can't Spirit do that?

1106
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,880
It's because the team's shit.
Because they've got shit IGL

1107
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,480
that put everything.
Imagine right.

1108
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,680
Imagine if Donk had a real IGL
with a real system.

1109
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:25,640
But who?
Who actually?

1110
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,840
Who fixes them?
Boom.

1111
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Which is like is like the
Messiah.

1112
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,520
Mate, get him to fuck off to an
international team like genuine

1113
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:39,720
just free him from this dog
shit, free him from this dog

1114
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,520
shit calling that he has to
fucking deal with and like this

1115
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,840
shit meant oh shit I like this
game.

1116
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,520
Fuck off Shiro.
What you mean you like this

1117
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,680
game?
I fuck.

1118
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,680
He, I think Chopper clutched, I
think is what happened and he

1119
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,640
was just like laughing about.
It I don't give a fuck, I don't

1120
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,720
care.
Give Dunk a serious team or fuck

1121
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,320
off.
I think this team, this team is

1122
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,680
one of the major a cattle and a
Cologne.

1123
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,560
Like they don't.
I know this your point is that

1124
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,040
we should win more, but like
they're still a successful team.

1125
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,520
I just think it's.
Dunk has won them a major, a

1126
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,520
Cologne and a cattle and a
Magics over performance in the

1127
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,320
final of one of them.
Like this team hasn't won Focal

1128
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:30,600
Dunk has, let's be clear on
that.

1129
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,800
It's why Vitality, because
Vitality are a serious team with

1130
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,520
actual role balance and a real
IGL and.

1131
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,920
They have.
Better players across their

1132
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,080
role.
Every of the best players in the

1133
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:51,800
world, like, like, I don't know
what you the course, they're

1134
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:57,480
going to be good.
Are you saying it's the third?

1135
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,640
Flames.
OK fine, fine.

1136
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,360
I was just good.
Well, like Flames is the second

1137
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,640
best over in the world after
Dunk, right?

1138
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,680
But.
Like.

1139
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,920
Sorry, I know Drops who is the
best rifler in the world I

1140
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,160
think.
But spirit best.

1141
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:20,520
Closer.
Teniri's ridiculously good like.

1142
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,600
Like that last week, you weren't
saying that, but.

1143
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,960
No, I really rate Tener is
really good, like Shiro is

1144
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,040
really good.
Get a serious IGL, get a fifth

1145
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:39,640
player that makes sense and
Spirit absolutely can do what do

1146
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,600
what Vitality did.
They're just.

1147
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,520
I mean, I'd love to say I like
the team, so I'd hope I'd, I

1148
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,279
hope so I just.
They are just leagues behind

1149
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,080
Vitality.
I don't know if an IGL change

1150
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,080
fixes them.
No, you have to change two

1151
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,600
players.
OK.

1152
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,000
But I'm I'm saying with the
caveat that Zontex is also back.

1153
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,399
I think you probably still have
to change two players.

1154
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,520
But who else?
Jared.

1155
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,840
Uncle Tania.
No Zontex.

1156
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,760
For who, whom, whom?
Whom is there?

1157
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,160
Well, there's plenty of players
in the Russian speaking world,

1158
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,520
Jack.
And who are you getting to?

1159
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,439
To survivors like the best
player on the TO2 Russian team.

1160
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,359
Yeah, but like they made an
anchor lurk it into an anchor

1161
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,080
bombsight entry.
Yeah.

1162
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,560
And like what's become very
apparent is he's actually really

1163
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,520
anti stratable as an anchor.
He plays so many 1 and dumpers

1164
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,359
that actually became a talking
point over the major that he

1165
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,960
started playing different
positions a lot more because he

1166
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,680
was just getting fried in the
same positions all the time.

1167
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Like so there are players they
can get to get better role

1168
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,400
balance.
I feel like we do this every

1169
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,640
week at this point so I don't
want to continue but like fuck

1170
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,960
team spirit.
Fuck team spirit of a semi final

1171
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,720
phase Narvi.
It's a good game.

1172
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,160
This is this.
We could see us.

1173
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,880
This is when I started getting
concerned that phase were going

1174
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,120
to win the major.
I I knew they.

1175
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,600
Were playing, I knew they were
playing Vitality and they had no

1176
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,480
fucking chance.
How did you feel after shipping

1177
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,000
ahead to to the final afternoon?
How did you feel?

1178
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,040
Did you believe last?
No.

1179
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,960
OK.
I don't think you understand how

1180
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:41,080
high my faith is in vitality.
I mean, yeah, they just, they

1181
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,320
just, they just play it right
down there.

1182
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,360
This is another series though.
Like this just could have been a

1183
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,760
too old to not be.
Yeah, yeah.

1184
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,480
And probably, you know, maybe
should have been.

1185
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,480
Yeah, a kind of a throw to be on
TBH.

1186
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,520
Ridiculously, I mean twists.
May Blade do something on

1187
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,240
Inferno that I've never ever
seen Blade.

1188
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:10,720
Do you know the the One V3 that
he got on the A side with the D

1189
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,440
eagle?
Do you see the clip of Blade's

1190
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:14,200
face afterwards?
No.

1191
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,440
He just, like, shrugged and
nodded in appreciation.

1192
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,000
All right.
And like, yeah, I mean, that's

1193
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:21,880
not even like you.
You haven't even misplayed that.

1194
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,240
You've just been.
Well.

1195
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,360
Scaled on.
It's yeah, no, me and Adam were

1196
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:31,720
saying it's such a great round
of counter strike because like

1197
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:38,600
there's only oh good, you've got
you've got Blade who like is

1198
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,680
just an incredible coach, great
at prep, great at anti striing,

1199
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,280
great at building systems in
that round.

1200
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,440
There is nothing no amount of
prep can ever do.

1201
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:56,240
Like the only thing that saves
them from losing that round is

1202
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,480
A1 tap or a Molotov.
Yeah.

1203
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,880
If you don't have that twist
just wins it.

1204
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,040
It's why Counter Strike is the
elite E sport.

1205
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,680
It's also like like the dunk
thing, right?

1206
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,000
You can't actually strike a guy
who's just going to kill 3 of

1207
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,560
you around, do you know what I
mean?

1208
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,840
Yeah, shut the fuck out The rest
of the team, which is which we

1209
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,040
saw, but yeah, I I get what
you're saying.

1210
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,400
Like you can't account for acts
of God, should we say?

1211
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:30,200
Yeah, but yeah, just a great
game of counts, right?

1212
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,680
Just.
Was was this the only ancient in

1213
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,760
the playoffs?
I think it was right.

1214
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,520
Yes.
Because vitality don't play it.

1215
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,080
Yeah.
Yeah.

1216
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,920
Yeah, and Makazi had a great
time.

1217
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,760
Makazi had a really good time on
that map.

1218
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,920
I'm starting to like really
quite like Makazi as a player I

1219
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:56,960
think.
He's very good.

1220
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,160
It kind of pains me to admit
that he's really good, but he

1221
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,680
just is.
Why is it pain you?

1222
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,520
I just don't really want him to
to be great.

1223
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,000
I don't know something about
him, right?

1224
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,800
OK.
OK, I just think why couldn't I

1225
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,880
have been 17 and really good at
the game?

1226
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,520
Should I mean it's, it's just
envy, I guess.

1227
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,320
OK, Fair enough.
All right.

1228
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,360
Yeah, that's it really.
We should talk about the final.

1229
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,840
I'm quite confused by that, but
yeah, final.

1230
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,680
I believed, I did believe off
the nuke and then reality set

1231
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:38,080
my.
Game.

1232
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,480
Yeah.
I mean, fuck, fuck face.

1233
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:43,160
Genuinely, fuck face.
Before we get into anything,

1234
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,680
Charlie, go on to Jacob's stats
page.

1235
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,040
Oh, OK, I'm having my minute.
I'm having my minute.

1236
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,320
Yeah, I'm just going.
To look how good look how good

1237
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,200
everyone's GOAT was when he
played against real teams.

1238
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,320
He's dad.
What's he had?

1239
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,320
One good map against Vitality in
a fucking beer.

1240
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,360
One group say well done, lad.
Right Mouse, Yeah.

1241
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:06,920
Played like shit.
Navi.

1242
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,160
One good map, Yeah, it's my
talent in the final.

1243
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,440
One decent map and fucking dog
shit afterwards.

1244
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,560
You know, I had everyone there
on fucking Twitter telling me

1245
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,560
how can you not tell Jacob?
He's a really good player now.

1246
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,880
You should be able to tell he's
going to 1.25 rating.

1247
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,640
Ends the major on like a fucking
1.03 rating.

1248
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,120
Get fucked, get fucked.
Let's see how Phase are in

1249
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,640
January when fucking Brokie
remembers that he's shit at the

1250
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,480
game and can't be asked half the
time or whatever the fuck's.

1251
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:37,360
Going brokie was quite fun in
the playoffs, though.

1252
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,480
Oh, he's great to watch, because
when Brokie's good, he's great

1253
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,760
to watch.
But half the time he forgets

1254
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,160
where his fucking mouse 2 button
is and I just watch him shoot

1255
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,840
into a ball and then he can go
fuck himself and like Jacob,

1256
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,080
like, fuck, get real, man.
He's just not good.

1257
01:14:54,600 --> 01:15:02,000
He's not good.
I just got I cannot wait for IEM

1258
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:08,000
Krakow phase clown out fucking
night 12th and I just got to

1259
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,880
fucking sit here there.
Might be a stage.

1260
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,320
Knowing I was right, even
better.

1261
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,080
They get free social.
But yeah, but they get free

1262
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,360
social.
But this is also the thing as

1263
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,560
well is is phase.
They almost didn't make you free

1264
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,440
search on the major like I
think, I think we have to keep

1265
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:25,240
having.
They shouldn't have.

1266
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,720
They shouldn't have.
Like yeah they they would set

1267
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,320
like milliseconds from from not
being in the major anymore.

1268
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,640
If history was a good fucking
play, this genuinely pisses me

1269
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,760
off about that.
If I'm in that situation in a

1270
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,640
game, I don't think there's ever
been a time where I didn't

1271
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,400
realize I had the smoke.
It's kind of the first thing you

1272
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,240
check when you, when you.
I feel like when the bomb's

1273
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:49,360
down, it's like, oh do.
It off the smoke.

1274
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,840
If he fucking smokes that there,
he eliminates phase from the

1275
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,240
major and we never have this
run, but instead phase win that

1276
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,680
they probably see how close it
is and then they get this like

1277
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:07,600
fucking like magic buff some
like fucking puppeteer trickery

1278
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,000
fucking doing some bullshit that
just gives some crazy momentum

1279
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,200
because they had a dance with
death and then they get to like

1280
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,400
go all the way to the final and
some miracle bullshit.

1281
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:20,640
Everyone knows.
Oh, Fazer back Fazer good.

1282
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,920
Now they've got it all figured
out now.

1283
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,160
And yeah, in some places they do
put Jacob in better positions.

1284
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,600
I'll give them credit for that.
And I also think the Carrigan

1285
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,040
outside on nuke thing kind of
interesting.

1286
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,320
We'll see how that works out
long term.

1287
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,440
I don't really back it.
We'll see how it works out long

1288
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:37,200
term because I think eventually
he could get.

1289
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,720
Fucked.
Yeah, they will be.

1290
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,920
Shit.
Next year they will be shit.

1291
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,040
Would it have been?
It wouldn't have been good at

1292
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,640
phase one, but it would have
been a good story.

1293
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,960
No, fuck that.
OK Fuck fuck fuck.

1294
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,600
The idea of it being a good
story where it starts with

1295
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,040
fucking history.
Bloody hell.

1296
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,040
Yeah, yeah, I know.
That was poor.

1297
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,080
Wait, when it starts with
history just being shit at the

1298
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,920
game, like that's not a good
story.

1299
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,960
That's a fucking, it's a fucking
nightmare.

1300
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,960
That's all that is, mate.
Yeah.

1301
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,400
Like it's not a good story.
Yeah, I mean.

1302
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,080
I hope they lose.
I hope they fucking lose Frozen.

1303
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,880
I really do.
They don't deserve Frozen.

1304
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,440
No, honestly, I don't think
anyone does.

1305
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,840
He's too good.
As a bloke, as a player.

1306
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,000
Either or really.
Yeah, I mean, he's a really.

1307
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,200
Top, top, top.
Yeah, he's just.

1308
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:42,400
Really, really sound.
The rest of the final, there's

1309
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:43,480
not much to talk about, is
there?

1310
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,160
I mean, there's the messy round
on Inferno.

1311
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,600
Yeah, that.
We're good that we're good.

1312
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:56,200
That was.
I just mean generally it's but

1313
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,480
how you just said pick a hole
and went to town.

1314
01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:05,120
Do you know what I mean?
All right, I I interviewed messy

1315
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,080
afterwards and I like we were
already like joking around.

1316
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,560
I just said to him like.
Because you're both in the same

1317
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:13,840
place.
It is, yeah.

1318
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,120
I was like that Inferno round.
And the actual question just

1319
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,880
says that inferno around where
you're shitting yourself a

1320
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,840
little bit.
And he he was just like, yeah, I

1321
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,120
just, I didn't know when to
shoot.

1322
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,760
I'm really glad I waited or
something like that.

1323
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:33,960
It's just like to hold your
composure there, like what a boy

1324
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,960
can we what a boy producer.
Charlie, can we?

1325
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,800
Can we, can we?
I love him so much.

1326
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,280
You'd have to find the on style
out of Twitter, Charlie.

1327
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:43,320
And it wouldn't be on the actual
TV highlights.

1328
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,240
No, it's not.
I know this because I've put

1329
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,840
this in about 5 articles
already.

1330
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,160
You.
That's it, didn't you?

1331
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,720
I really did.
I was so gassed.

1332
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,880
I think, yeah, let's watch it.
It's like the next one.

1333
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,960
Yeah, that one.
Let's watch it for the sake of

1334
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:01,400
it.
Go on.

1335
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,520
Because also while I'm playing
here, I never get this chance.

1336
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,680
No, right?
It's mental bang, everything

1337
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:12,760
gets the trade at the end of the
round.

1338
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,720
What a player, what a player.
He's just, he's so fantastic.

1339
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,760
I'm really sorry for audio
listeners right now because

1340
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,960
you've got no value out of the
last fucking.

1341
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,920
That was also crazy by Robs as
well, by the way.

1342
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,960
There's the fucking composure
there, like.

1343
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,360
Robs.
Is I was already confident.

1344
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,400
Really good.
I was already confident anyway.

1345
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,560
I was like, yeah, Phase have got
their one map at least like it's

1346
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,320
not a free O final because that
would have been a bad reflection

1347
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:45,680
on Bo Fives just fucking I had
no no.

1348
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,560
Yeah, but the next three months
were basically 1 1/2 games and

1349
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:57,400
they really so.
Yeah, it's just but.

1350
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,240
It was also just sad.
It was just a.

1351
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,360
Like I'm really happy with five
finals, but if over fast was

1352
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,560
that performance like you may as
well, you may as well just wrap

1353
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,520
it up up to three.
Do you know what I mean?

1354
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,560
Yeah.
Good major, though.

1355
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,760
Good Major.
So the question is mm hmm.

1356
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,560
Which one in Cologne?
Are they the best team of all

1357
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:27,450
time?
You're taking a longer pause.

1358
01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:30,330
And I thought.
I'm thinking about it properly.

1359
01:20:32,130 --> 01:20:35,960
OK, well please talk poor
viewers.

1360
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,640
Out No, I know I'm just this is
actually you've stumped me

1361
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,800
because I guess the alternative
is, is Australis right?

1362
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:45,200
I think so.
Elliott would say 2021 Navi

1363
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,520
because he's a fucking idiot,
but.

1364
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,800
Yeah, that's why he's not on the
show.

1365
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,120
Yeah, yeah, I mean, he, he
thinks bit is the most talented

1366
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,360
player to ever play the game.
It's like donkey's right there

1367
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,960
mate, Like.
When his knuckles aren't on the

1368
01:20:55,960 --> 01:21:01,560
floor.
In Alexis lap being shaved.

1369
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:10,760
I think there might be, and I
think if 2026 they continue on

1370
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,800
75% of this form, then I think
that's that that is the

1371
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,160
cementing it because I think the
point you make right, like a

1372
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,680
Charles, like that era of
dominance was in was in an era

1373
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,920
of people.
Like the level of CS right now

1374
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,240
is, is the best it's ever been.
Every team is so technically

1375
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,240
deep or tactically deep, I
should say, and individuals are

1376
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,000
so much better than they were
back then.

1377
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:40,760
Like, yeah, because I would drop
to the same team like that is

1378
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,160
that that is just.
This is this is the thing.

1379
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:49,360
Right.
So on a on a base level, if you

1380
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,040
want to do the objective numbers
things, Australis in one year,

1381
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,800
calendar year, 10 tournaments,
one major.

1382
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,880
Vitality 9 tournaments, 2
majors.

1383
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:07,440
For me, I take 9 tournaments and
two majors personally.

1384
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:10,480
Is it?
Is it 9 + 2 or two two out of

1385
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,960
the 9?
Are no including including two,

1386
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:13,360
Yeah.
Yeah.

1387
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,320
So less overall wins, but two
more important wins, should we

1388
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:22,040
say Yeah?
Neither of those include a

1389
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,840
Cologne for the sake.
Yeah, and and also.

1390
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,120
Both include a Cato.
Australia's I don't beat 11

1391
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:30,600
real.
Team both don't include a Cato.

1392
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,440
Actually, only vitalities
includes Cato.

1393
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,000
No.
Cato Major, 2019.

1394
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,080
We're talking 2018.
OK.

1395
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:47,720
Well then sure if that's the
year you're taking.

1396
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,880
Yeah, but I thought the
installers era was kind of.

1397
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,520
No, but we're talking calendar
year, so.

1398
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:59,200
OK, but no, I think, I think you
this transcends years.

1399
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,520
I don't like, I don't think you
make them the best team by how

1400
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,240
they.
Would no, no, but like I'm

1401
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,440
saying that as like an objective
numbers metric, like of course

1402
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:08,320
you then go further.
With this, you can't look at

1403
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,560
these things objectively like.
This but that is sorry is

1404
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,680
objective no, but the the the
number of trophies they won in a

1405
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,720
year is objective Jack just to
be no.

1406
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,600
That is but but whether that
makes them the best team in the

1407
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,840
world of all time, I don't.
Think I'm not saying no, I'm not

1408
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,800
saying it might be indicators.
But I just don't think, yeah.

1409
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,440
It's indicative exactly, but you
can then factor in the other

1410
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:29,040
Australis major.
You could then also factor in

1411
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,960
with Australis like there was a
mini era inside their era, like

1412
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,200
liquids kind of is undeniable
for that.

1413
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,560
Australis didn't really go into
that third major as the

1414
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,520
favourites.
I'm not saying Vitality went

1415
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,840
into this major as the
favourites, but I don't think

1416
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,040
they let it slip for long
enough.

1417
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,840
And the thing, the thing with
Vitality as well is the

1418
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,880
criticism that they've been
getting outside of the Matt Paul

1419
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,560
stuff.
The Matt Paul stuff is valid and

1420
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,520
they will tell you that the
criticism they've been getting

1421
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,720
is such horseshit that oh right
damn it, you don't win anything

1422
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,120
anymore.
They have literally not finished

1423
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:17,800
below the semi finals, 4th of
anything all year probably.

1424
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:22,120
Maybe blast bounty at the start
of the year Maybe.

1425
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:23,200
Yeah.
Didn't they lose?

1426
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:24,440
I?
I don't know.

1427
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,760
They lost.
To us, to a roar there.

1428
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,200
I thought, yeah, that sounds
about right.

1429
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,320
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's probably.

1430
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,720
Yeah, quarter final.
Reasonable to say, I think that

1431
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,120
run last year was pretty
undeniable.

1432
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:48,440
And again, like, I think they're
dominant in an era where there

1433
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:52,600
are far more teams who can
challenge right from the

1434
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,960
Australis to era.
There was one team who was close

1435
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,720
and they they also then had that
many era within their era,

1436
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:58,680
right.
So it's kind of.

1437
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,160
Yeah.
And I think the the

1438
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,280
competitiveness, the
competitiveness is something

1439
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,920
really important to talk about.
It's another intangible right

1440
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,080
that you kind of have to just
understand to make that

1441
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:19,120
argument.
Like a lot of the teams hadn't

1442
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,160
reached their final form yet.
Like Australis for the most part

1443
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,760
we're dealing with liquid, with
Taco not stewing.

1444
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,440
They were dealing with simple
with fucking Zeus and Edward and

1445
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:35,680
Flamey.
The phase we're going through

1446
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:44,800
the Carrigan is a bad IGL thing.
Fucking MRBR existed and we're

1447
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,840
going American.
The cloud nine died after

1448
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:55,640
winning the major.
Like VP were dead like 2018.

1449
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,720
That wasn't really like Charlie.
Go to September 2018.

1450
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,960
We're a Charles, the Aurora of
2018.

1451
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,920
Like look at this back N with
the sick vice team in the world.

1452
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,520
Like come on man, look at.
This, this, this sort of era is

1453
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,720
when I started till till they
are, I think.

1454
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,840
But look at these fucking top 10
Manages mental hell, raises A10

1455
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,720
that mouse.
Team was awesome.

1456
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,320
That mouse team was good, Yeah,
like get right still on Nick.

1457
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,880
He couldn't fucking play at that
point.

1458
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:37,080
But I think, I think when you
look at this, there is just

1459
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,520
there is absolutely no way to
look at and.

1460
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,680
Actually, we're still on ends,
yeah.

1461
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,760
To look at this and yeah,
there's some credit for them

1462
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:51,920
like, you know, revolutionizing
counter strike, but fuck off.

1463
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,360
Look at what they did it against
compared to vitality.

1464
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,200
Like if if that happened today,
like the other teams would

1465
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,440
figure it out in three months
and shit down a Charlotte's

1466
01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:03,200
throat.
Maybe not, but like I like.

1467
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,040
That phrase, it's really gross.
What?

1468
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,360
Shit down their throat that's.
Nice yucky.

1469
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:15,640
No, I won't make a joke.
It's fine, but look at this with

1470
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,800
X seven, third in the world.
When's this?

1471
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,600
March 29th.
Is this after winning Cato

1472
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,880
Charlie?
I assume it is.

1473
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,160
You can like slow all up and
down.

1474
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:34,320
If it is, he's typed, yes.
Yeah, but NTS third in the

1475
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:35,640
world.
Fuck up, get right.

1476
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:40,360
Still on Nip and they're 6th.
Renegades are 8th My question

1477
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,720
Like fucking 28th.
Now he's have a drained man.

1478
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:48,880
Like fuck off.
Fuck it, we really are blessed.

1479
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:51,120
Anybody who sort of came in to
see us like.

1480
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,200
Oh mate, no, sorry, sorry.
I've got to pause you.

1481
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,240
I'm not.
I'm not stopping talking because

1482
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,600
I don't talk about this team.
No, no no.

1483
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,120
For audio listeners, no.
Charlie has clicked on a Cloud

1484
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:08,080
19 that is Keo Rush, Automatic
voice and Golden.

1485
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,040
Please carry on, Jack Fucking.
No, I just, I was waiting like I

1486
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,800
didn't want to win this team.
I just didn't want to

1487
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,120
acknowledge that they existed.
OK, sorry mate.

1488
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,920
Yeah, Vitality it.
Was gross.

1489
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:28,760
Vitality, congratulations, you
are the greatest team of all

1490
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,120
time.
I think.

1491
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,480
Revel in your IAM Cologne 2026
major win.

1492
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,760
If they win Cologne A, it's a
clone B, it's the third major in

1493
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,120
a row.
I think that it's, it's

1494
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,320
completely undeniable.
I think it's undeniable anyway,

1495
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,880
and I think anyone who does try
to deny it is coping.

1496
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,000
It yes, but you know hammer
hammer at home.

1497
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,000
Do you know what I?
Mean like I, I think there's

1498
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,440
something you can say for
judging things within the

1499
01:28:54,440 --> 01:28:59,400
context of their era.
Like that was quite an

1500
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,800
interesting thing that it was
foreign.

1501
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:07,040
Moses Richard Lewis and someone
else did a few years ago when

1502
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,120
they made that time travel land
sponge.

1503
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,280
Was it OK?
Charlie said it was sponge.

1504
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,000
Like that was really
interesting.

1505
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,760
And I think that is an
interesting conversation, But I

1506
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:24,600
think the era actually reflects
better for vitality than it does

1507
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,240
for Australis.
So best team full time.

1508
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,240
And with that, Jack, you were
going to ask who's winning

1509
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,520
Cologne.
I've said mine.

1510
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,600
Who are you saying?
And if you say spirit, I will

1511
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:36,840
come to Cardiff and strangle
you.

1512
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,760
I don't.
Live with Cardiff, my stocks

1513
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:45,120
attempt idiot.
Well, I said Cardiff because

1514
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:50,800
it's roundabout, not going to
say you're actual addressing.

1515
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,480
Birmingham For you, though, it's
just like.

1516
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,440
Yeah, exactly.
You could come to Birmingham and

1517
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:56,200
threaten me.
Come to.

1518
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,880
Birmingham.
Yeah, come to some of it.

1519
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,520
Come from a bit Birmingham.
That's for the energy.

1520
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,040
I actually do live closer to
Smithwick, just a doctor.

1521
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:19,800
Sorry, might be, might be, might
be vitality I no vitality spirit

1522
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,120
back-to-back colognes.
Hear it here first.

1523
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,360
Fuck off Charlie.
Don't know mate.

1524
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:26,640
Click on the team.
You think?

1525
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:32,320
Maybe maybe maybe new Navi?
Oh, he's giving it a little 12.

1526
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,920
Oh, Charlie's gone for Falcons
winning the next major.

1527
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,920
And with that, Charlie is.
Not like, oh, yeah, I think, I

1528
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,480
think I think that's the best
place to leave it.

1529
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,560
We're going to fuck off for a
couple weeks because the next

1530
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,600
episode will be Christmas Eve
and the one after that is New

1531
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,720
Year's Eve.
And honestly, if you're watching

1532
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,640
this podcast on either one of
those days.

1533
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,040
Yeah, we appreciate all your.
Views.

1534
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,160
I won't say that because.
It's fucking come on.

1535
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,760
Yeah, get a fucking grip.
Like I could get it.

1536
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,680
I could get it on the New Year's
Eve one, because maybe you watch

1537
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,560
it New Year's Day, you hang in.
You want to hear like?

1538
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:12,840
Whoever want that?
Yeah, I don't.

1539
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,280
I don't really.
Yeah.

1540
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,160
No.
If I'm one of those two days you

1541
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,560
intend to watch us talk.
One, I'm sorry.

1542
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,600
Two, I'm sorry for your
existence.

1543
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,880
With that, Merry Christmas,
Happy New Year.

1544
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,480
Thanks for bloody watching.
I'm Sam.

1545
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,040
He's Jack.
Charlie does clicking and

1546
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:38,200
editing and James makes
thumbnails and we're going to

1547
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,360
fuck off now.
Bye.