"Cologne is bigger than the Major", the worst duo in CS, and what core should 100 Thieves sign?

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Shocks and scream, Shiro and
donk config and Heineken.

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Counter strike is full of
amazing duos but I want to ask

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you 2, who are the worst duos in
counter strike ever?

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Open floor.
Who are the worst duos in

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Counter Strike ever?
Blaimath and anyone?

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Yeah, I mean, he does OK out of
it, to be fair.

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Yeah, I.
Mean the meth abuse.

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Freddy Frog and a relaxer.
Freddy, Frog and Relax is a good

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shot.
That is a good shot.

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The the obvious answer is of
course, Spiddy and Dennis.

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Yeah.
No, maybe the worst duo ever.

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Like they were.
And I feel bad because Dennis

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like sort of turned his career
around and was actually all

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right later in his career.
But Spiddy was like just

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appalling, like just so bad.
And he, he was just awful.

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Yeah, not great.
Do we 2 cane skins?

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There you go, topical.
Very topical.

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I want to give.
I want to give an actual serious

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answer.
Yeah, like I I thought I'd say

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Spitty and Dennis.
I think about the obvious

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answer.
I had a good answer for this

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earlier that I thought of and
it's just it's just like my

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brain is as we went live so.
Is it is it?

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Is it deaths and is?
It it was deaths in WG that

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actually is what it was, yeah.
Yeah, I thought it might be.

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Yeah, no, that is right.
That's what.

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It was any two players from Evil
Geniuses 2023.

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There you go.
Any 2 rosters and ESA.

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No, because ISA was actually
good back then.

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OK, OK.
ISA and MBK from Iliogi.

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There you go.
OK.

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Yeah, it's pretty.
Good.

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It's pretty good.
They were awful at that point.

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I mean Kerrigan and Brokie right
now.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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What do you?
Have to mean.

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I just thought, you know, people
like it when we talk about bad

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players it seems especially
especially Adam or Adam B, as I

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presume it's meant to be said,
capitalize the B.

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He, he told us that we were, I'm
not allowed to say this word,

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but I believe our producer is.
So he told us we were a not very

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nice word because we because Sam
actually, I should say I didn't

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have any say this.
Sam said Lumi was the worst

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opera of all time.
Which he is just once again.

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So we are doubling down, are we?
He's, he's shit.

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Like, I don't need to say more
than that.

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He's just not a very good
player.

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He's not, but this, this whole
clip did it did get some some

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interesting opinions from the
community, didn't it?

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Yeah.
Should we go?

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Yeah, most of them.
Most of them having a go at us.

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There it is.
Producer Charlie, please stay

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there for your excellent
response to Adam B, where after

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Adam B called us our words, or
rather called me an our word,

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Producer Charlie said.
I'd say that you shouldn't use

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that word, but if you think Lumi
is a good Orpa, you probably

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have the pass, which is just
brilliant just to clean.

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It I do, I do respect backing
you former teammates like that

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because yeah, you've got it
right.

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They've played together, right?
So he probably know.

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He knows more than anyone that
he's not that good, Probably.

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But.
Oh Plopsky and Rez.

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Oh God that was an awful duo.
Plopsky and Esther tag.

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Was, I was going to say Plopsky
and.

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Esther, oh God.
That's it.

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That's the worst.
S tag on the orp as.

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Well, S Tag, I actually thought
Esther Tag was a better orphan

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than he was.
I've missed this reply.

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That which one?
I don't want to from our lovely

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producer.
I don't mean to alarm you, Sir,

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but you have Apex had some
things to say, particularly

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Elliot.
You said what's the hell are you

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talking about?
OK is the end wasn't great, but

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you're talking about the really
good opera that have been a

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fucking solid rock for a long
time.

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Don't talk when you have no
clue.

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First things first, if you've
been rock solid for years, you

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should probably see a doctor.
2nd of war, a prostitute.

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He he even admits in this tweet
that the end wasn't great, so he

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knows he was pretty dog shit.
He knows he was dog shit at one

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point.
I'm clearly not talking about

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when he was good in CS Source.
I don't know what I'm talking

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about.
No, no.

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So I I then said like, I didn't
endorse The Smiths thing.

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I said if you're talking about
Lumi though, I have eyes, man,

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I'm sorry, apexious response.
Smith's brother.

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He also will not deny that Loomi
no he's.

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Probably never watched him.
He he got no reason to watch one

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of his games.
I do think, though, Smith was

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all right when he wasn't open.
Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah, he wasn't a terrible
player.

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He just wasn't a very good offer
and that's fine.

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But by the end of his Orping
tenure, he he was like losing

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them games.
Yeah.

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He he was bad.
Like OK, he wasn't the worst

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ever because Sixer has also
played in France and would have

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been the better shout, but like.
You know you'd have got he.

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Was not.
And if he was a trooper, Well,

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yeah, I'd have.
I'd have fired back a lot harder

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if they backed up Sixer.
Sixer and Devil, by the way.

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One of the worst duos ever.
Pretty sure they were on a team

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together on Envy.
Yeah, they were.

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Yeah, awful.
I feel like I need a wash.

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Now maniac vodka or maniac
women?

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Also bad duo, just saying.
That's not going on.

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It's not the women, but the
women there aren't bad.

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Go back, go back into replies to
Charlie.

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Let's let's let's move on.
I love that he's been upgraded

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to producer from like Link
Liquor.

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What's that one that translate
back into?

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Apex.
Oh, OK.

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Oh, that's that can't be good.
Yeah, boring.

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Oh, right, yeah, France is a
great.

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Character Best French team has
two players.

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I wasn't having a go at.
France The French team bombed

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out of Chengdu so.
Yeah, fair enough.

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He's like, he's just guys risen
up Apex and the.

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Yeah, fair play.
That's what I'll say about to be

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fair to Apex, like he is very
good at meeting his fans.

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Like he will just go and meet
him, Yugi and Lucky, Yeah, I

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mean.
Lucky.

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Fine, I just think there was a
Yugi.

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Really unfair.
You give us him for a bit.

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Yeah, if you go back on.
No, he.

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Like some of his no scopes
actually hit for a bit.

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No, haven't it?
Like the teams he's playing.

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Man's not hot envy.
There's envy in here.

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This was Tier 2 when in 2018?
This is fine.

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It's North, it's your team and
he fucking railed them.

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Yeah, N were also garbage.
Wasn't Cajun B Orfing at this

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point?
Probably, yeah. 2018 in.

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The building, just him.
Just him alone really.

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But someone also brought up
Christu.

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Yeah, yeah, I was.
Christu not an author, I don't

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think.
No, he was, they forgot about.

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Genuinely painful to watch that
guy play Very good.

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Yeah pretty sure N signed him
after they got rid of AZ and I.

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I tried but I I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do it.

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I mean, that was that was a husk
of of north, you know, that was

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that was a shame and N were
already strike team.

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Yeah, Woody is a very good idea,
but he never gets things going

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with the ORP, I mean.
You know that, Baron complied.

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I feel like.
Charlie's fight until.

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He went on to Australis.
I don't know whose Solec is, but

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two different people have said
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I'm I'm going to look at it.
They're both Australians so this

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is probably some sort of meme
answer.

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That's what I've learned from
Australians.

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Emmanuel.
Somebody said Salazar, that guy.

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Somebody said Salazar, though
Salazar is bad.

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But I do.
I just kind of I want to.

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Be he's a Swiss player played
for like alternate attacks and a

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team called Berserk for for most
of his career.

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Who's the German bloke on M80?
He annoys me.

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Slacks.
Slacks is bloody awful.

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He's.
Got a bit of sauce about him.

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I.
Don't know.

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He's very good, but I think he's
got, he carries himself with

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demeanor where I kind of, I kind
of back him, I think.

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Slacks his I think so many
points out how how these guys

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talk.
He's not even inconsistent.

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He's consistently rubbish.
Nah, like.

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Slack Slacks has put a few games
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I'm not having it, I'm still
annoyed at slacks for like

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bottling and a made like an RMR
in NA to stop malbs getting

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stickers for the first time
like.

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Hold tight world.
Edit This is the disrespect here

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is crazy.
World edit is nowhere near there

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so I don't care what anyone
said.

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World edit no, that's a player
who's just inconsistent.

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World edit had high peaks but
like horrendous flaw.

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His worst He was awful, but his?
Best is valued.

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Speed, idis, balance and a full
moon.

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Best player in the world, don't
care what anyone says.

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Idis balance was was like, yeah,
sometimes incredible.

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Sometimes if the major final was
on a on a full moon he would be

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the MVP only be in the game.
Like this is a deep dive that

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one of you 2 needs to write
actually the best to worst

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operas of of the dust.
The worst opera of all time.

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Yeah, I think it could be a good
piece.

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The community is completely.
Violent.

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If you have any thoughts on.
I put Speedak in there.

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Do you remember watching Speedak
at the major?

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That guy.
Dream Eaters or some shit.

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Dream eaters that guy was
appalling.

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I I mean it's not his fault
because he was like he's

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probably like an ESA main player
who freaked his way to a major,

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but he was like no, he was bad.
Could.

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Have been me, should have been
me.

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He.
I I like I've not seen a player

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miss as many simple shots as him
and I'm counting players like

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Draken in that.
Like that guy was Pooh.

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He was really bad.
Yeah, I still think Draken could

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could feel right.
What now?

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Yeah, I like.
Draken absolutely nothing

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really.
I just think, yeah.

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Now, now, maybe not, but I liked
it.

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I like I think I thought it.
Was all right.

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It's been bent from Johnny
speeds like maybe they stuck

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them off.
I just always thought he no,

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he's still over Johnny speeds.
I just thought he never really

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could have.
He never really got it going

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right.
And then he went to kind of

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valor on when he was kind of at
his peak and then and that was

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it.
Drakon was like, actually pretty

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decent on it.
I always thought I was, yeah.

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I don't know for long though.
I thought everyone, I thought

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everyone was like really unfair
to Drakon to be honest because

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he just kind of looks like a
Dick.

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Nothing funny and I think I
think his dad is the CEO of Sony

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Sweden.
Or some CEO of being rich.

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Like, you know, he's like, yeah,
yeah, he's minted, yeah.

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He he is absolutely minted.
I'm pretty sure the first HLTV

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awards was in like an arena that
Dracon's dad owns or something.

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It's something like that.
Dracon's best year, by the way,

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it.
Didn't get an invite.

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Dracon's best year, 2017, where
he had a 1.14 rating.

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People act like Dracon see
that's got above a one point O

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five.
Yeah, that's a good year.

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That's actually a good year.
People act like he was, yeah.

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People act like he was junior.
He was not junior like he was

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like he was like the 8th or 9th
best author in the world that

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year.
Like he was good.

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And that, by the way, he's just.
Weird to what?

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Like he was fun to watch, but he
was weird.

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That's.
Playing it too, he didn't hit

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one match of the year.
That was the issue.

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Yeah.
Look, he yeah and Nip actually

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the.
Funny part is I've.

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Always thought he was really
unfairly divided.

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The funny part is that his
second worst event of that year

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is the one thing that Nip won
that year.

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He's Oakland.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that was like the one
event Rez has ever been good at.

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He had a one point.
I just looked like in.

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December of 2017 In December of
2017, Nip with the fourth

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highest rated team in the world.
That's the good the glory days.

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Wow.
Like, you know what I mean?

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Like this was not a bad team and
he was that open like say well,

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he was treated like he was
junior.

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He was like Brokey maybe like
Brokey would be a fairer like.

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Description And that was And
they were fourth in the world

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after failing to make it through
the fucking the minor for E

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league.
Like they didn't even make it to

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the minor.
Yeah, might be the year they

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lost to Vega, yeah.
They lost in a close qualifier.

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Yeah.
Are you like, yeah, I mean,

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Cajun B was north or, but they
were ninth in the world.

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Oscar Mouse, he was probably
better.

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Kenny S was on G2 at this point.
Yeah, Oscar was very good that

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yeah.
He was, I just didn't like him

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and I'm not 100% sure why
because looking back he's

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absolutely the type of player I
would like.

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Yeah, slightly.
Weird enough putting, but really

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good at the game.
Yeah, pretty much.

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Pretty much.
Let's move on.

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Anyway, yeah.
Sick, sick of talking about bad

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teams and bad players.
Let's talk about Aurora.

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I mean, they, they, that was the
joke.

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Yeah.
They were good question mark.

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They were good.
They won.

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They won.
They won the event that they

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definitely had to win to be
taken seriously ever again.

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As we said in the newsletter,
right, this, this was their

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layup.
This was their.

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I'm trying to think of the
analogy.

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That's good, but I don't have
one.

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They could not have lost.
This an open goal.

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An open goal, yes.
And it's, you know, extra wide,

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should we say?
And they did.

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They did what they needed to do.
I think it would have been

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acceptable if they had lost it
to Liquid, but other than that,

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like, yeah, they could.
They couldn't lose.

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They couldn't lose, especially
to Legacy, which is why, like,

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I'm still slightly concerned
about the fact that after going

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to our it did end free too.
But this isn't total victory.

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Yeah, but also.
Well, it could have been another

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really good reverse sweep final,
which would have been fun.

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The thing is, legacy are
actually still better than

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people giving credit to, I think
even after the CIC win, like I

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still think they're kind of
still underrated.

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So a close final against them is
like, it's not good for Aurora,

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right?
Like I think Aurora should be

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doing better than that, but I
think it's kind of

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understandable, I would say, but
I don't think losing liquid

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would be justifiable.
No, I think.

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This liquid is still tumultuous.
I'm, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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I'm I'm gonna disagree.
If it's fine for them to lose to

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legacy or whatever, it's
absolutely fine to lose to

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liquid like legacy.
I'm sorry.

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No, no.
No, no, no, there's no sort of

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beaten legacy.
I'm, I'm doing, I'm I'm just

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thinking.
It being that close, it's.

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OK, Legacy are just pain too.
They're not that good.

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They're they're not that good.
They're just playing well at the

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moment.
I don't think Payne have ever

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made of.
Payne never won an event and

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they never went to back-to-back
finals.

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The Legacy are already better
than Pain of Everything.

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OK, but let's look at these
events.

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I think of which I know pain was
there as well, but like.

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I don't care.
Yeah, No, no, I well, yeah,

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exactly right.
But Pain have never won these

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events either.
Sure, but like what I mean is

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they're just in a a nice run at
the moment.

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They're not actually that good.
But liquid aren't actually that

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good, and they're not in a good
run.

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So liquid like garbage.
Well, liquid aren't just not.

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Liquid standards, they're in a
good run.

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Well, yeah, but that's kind of
the point, isn't it?

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Like that's, yeah, I think, to
be honest, I don't think Aurora.

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I think Aurora also had a pretty
dodgy run.

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I thought it was pretty hard to
pick a winner going going into

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this.
I was like looking at the team

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like oh fuck it, like maybe
Legacy actually do just win it

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again.
And they nearly did.

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But like, I mean, turns out one
of the one of the sorts of

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vaguely big boys decided to show
up, and that vaguely big boy is

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Jantaris.
Do we think Ostralis didn't have

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Rugger playing?
They would have done better

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because they've been pretty good
at Chengdu.

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Right, which we?
Can get to but.

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If Ostralis didn't have Rugger
playing in Aurora would have

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been knocked out in Swiss.
Charlie.

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Go on, go on the results and go
on the Aurora Australis game,

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because this is actually a game
we should talk about.

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Losing a map to a coach is is
poor.

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But.
And this was because Device was

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like shitting himself, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just for it's.

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An important visual context.
So look at pooping.

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Look how bad Rugger did.
And for people who weren't

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watching, Rugger went 19 and 48
across the free map.

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Best of freeware.
All the maps were relatively

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long.
I think the next the next lowest

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ranking player in the server was
obviously major, but the next

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lowest ranking player on his
team was hooksy and Stair who

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both had 48.
If that's device Aurora don't

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even make it to playoffs.
They just don't Yeah yeah.

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So so looking back at playoffs
then who did Aurora beat there

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game of legion was one of them.
I can't remember the final team.

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B8 game of Legion and then
Legacy.

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B8 was the quarterfinal team.
Yeah.

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So really would.
Have walked through those.

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Teams.
So really, Australia should have

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won this event.
What a horrible fucking timeline

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that is.
I'm sorry, sorry.

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That is a big, big assumption.
I think there's a lot of events.

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Australia should have.
I don't think Australia's are

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better than legacy.
Would would also like to point

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out, by the way, just click on
that Aurora game Allegiance.

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Yeah, that I, yeah.
This this was a.

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Sorry, when you're getting 3110
that team is Major.

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You are rubbish.
Like fucking hell Major, shut

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down your throat.
Are you fucking me?

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510 times in a series.
What were the because 3031 they

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got absolutely bad.
Disgustingly but how is that

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semi final?
How does game elision make it?

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How do they get get off the
plane?

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So I can, I can show scroll back
down, Charlie.

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I, I can, I can show you this.
No, it's the guy.

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What the fuck?
Is going on in kind of strike?

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Yeah, it's the guy at the bottom
of the game.

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Legion scoreboard.
It turns out Jacob isn't the

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only fraud to come from from
Apogee.

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Hypex is also fucking rubbish.
Fraud is kind of like did anyone

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rate Hypex is even a fraud?
Isn't he just kind of bad?

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It's not really his fault.
And I'm pretty sure important,

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in fact, he doesn't live in the
UK, so we kind of have to

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endorse him.
I'm afraid I don't have to, I.

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Don't endorse.
I don't endorse.

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Screw.
You.

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He's from.
UK I'm not going to make.

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There's reasons for.
That I'm not going to make this

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political, but unless I see the
British flag next to their name,

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I don't endorse them.
Yeah, I think it's quite

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telling.
As soon as Volt got rid of the

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UK flag he he became where is
he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Isn't he odd?

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Exactly where is he?
Nobody knows.

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Let's not even look it.
Doesn't deserve to be locked up.

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He's on that deserved 500 team.
Yeah, there we go.

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Doesn't deserve to be.
Like the one that don't have we,

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we spoke on the team the other
week.

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I'm not doing it again.
We did.

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Mark.
Mark at this team.

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Basically they can see.
Like Sewell made the semi finals

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of this event.
Oh yeah, that's cool.

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Made the semi.
Finals over Liquid.

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Yeah, they beat Liquid Go on
that game, Charlie the sore

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liquid.
Also pain lost to legacy just so

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just so we because you were
talking about how their pain the

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beat pain.
Yeah, but pain in the sense of

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how you talk about pain.
Yeah, but Legacy didn't let us

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down in Asia.
They won.

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They actually won an event.
Pain won't do that.

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This is another, I just think
having a plague or she showed

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the best of three, isn't it?
Yeah, no, it is.

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But like, go back up to the
math.

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Issue this is this, this is a
Tier 2 event.

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This is this is not a tier one
event at all.

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No, this is not A and liquid and
the prize pool is making it that

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way.
Right?

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And I understand vRS and stuff,
but this is it's not a good

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event.
This is acct with an audience, I

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think.
Did it even have an audience?

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Wasn't it like cut?
Short.

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No, It's Big Crest Studio, isn't
it?

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But just to a sore at the major.
No, Yeah, no.

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Probably.
No, I don't think so, but just

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to read this out for the people
who aren't who aren't watching

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and only listening.
Liquid opened this series of 13

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four win on ancient which
realistically is probably what

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you should be expecting out of
Liquid saw but then saw one

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train 13 two and inferno 13 one.
Like what the fuck?

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Even if liquid are bad that is
hyping that can't be allowed.

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That's like that's mental boom,
isn't it?

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But that is mental boom.
That's like they've just like

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their their heads just blown up.
I feel like train they've

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they've got so.
Ultimate went one and 13.

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Like tilted during train?
Bear in mind that SAWS or the

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story went 18 and 6.
They've got two players Yeah I

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mean it's kind of a two point O
rating.

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Mutrus went 13 and one man.
Mutrus hasn't been good since

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happening.
Tap got banned.

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It's just.
Hard to be good CS chats bad CS

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GO came out.
Bro, that guy's a pensioner.

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Was that a serious question?
What is happening?

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I do remember stats are getting
bad, don't worry.

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No, this is like such a clear
Elise Elisha's has ruined the.

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Game Humpty Dumpty terrorism
ball.

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Wait, Charlie, this.
Is such a clear details Elise is

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not come during infer.
Charlie on the detailed stats

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for trade.
This is so clear.

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No, he's he's asked for a drop
and just throw it out the map.

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That's what he said.
Yeah.

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Click on train, Scroll down.
OK, which round did a leash stop

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talking?
Let's scroll back up, Charlie.

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Scroll back up onto the round.
Let's see, let's see, let's see

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which round is still fine this
conversion fine.

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I think it's probably around
4:00.

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I was going to say.
Or no, no, no, it'll be no, no

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it.
Won't be.

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I'm going to go round 6.
Round 9 I think.

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I think round six, round 9.
Without the plan, yeah.

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OK, round six he's made his
first comment.

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Round 9 He's just decided he's
probably got worth it anymore.

447
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He's probably got he's probably
got entry on it in round 6.

448
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Round 6.
And he's playing someone else.

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Round 6 he's steam messaged and
said like can we get rid of

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autumn?
Can we get rid of him?

451
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,760
He says he's working.
He's he must have.

452
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,960
He would have been so telling.
He's he's Polish, right?

453
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,000
I don't know.
He speaks Portuguese.

454
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,400
I can just imagine that that.
So he must have been typing to

455
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,600
sort in the steep messaging
store.

456
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,240
He's telling story where where
ultimate saying go off him in

457
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,840
fluent Portuguese.
I just think he's just saying

458
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,840
like insane Polish flows in in
voice chat but like in his

459
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,240
accent.
Like the grammar is perfect but

460
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,000
the accent's not do.
You think he ever spoke during

461
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,880
this map?
I don't think he's the only one.

462
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,720
I don't think Nuts would have
spoke much either.

463
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,000
I don't think anyone plugged
that.

464
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,200
People so angry nobody was
talking to Ultimate in this map.

465
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,560
I'd also like to build.
A Like Steve messaging story

466
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840
where he was.
I'd also like to point out at

467
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,000
this point for anyone listening
that's doubting us.

468
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,640
All three of us have been in a
room watching Elise play at full

469
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,560
best of three and not open his
mouth once, but we've all seen.

470
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,360
Unless he's also not.
He's not the.

471
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,160
He's not the only one, I'd like
to say.

472
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,160
No, he's not the only player
that does it, but he's.

473
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,440
Liquid of liquid have had these
problems for years, at least as

474
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,280
though.
Famously said though when he was

475
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,000
on phase that he wants to like
reduce the amount of

476
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,520
communication or something.
Clearly he took it too far in

477
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,360
liquid but but.
I don't think, I don't think

478
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,680
he's the only one.
On this team, I I think stood

479
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,400
there we.
Spoke.

480
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,320
We spoke last week.
You go.

481
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,280
Go on.
OK I genuinely stood there once

482
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,120
for a full map of a liquid game
in Paris and not one person said

483
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,560
a word all game.
There wasn't even calls going

484
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,000
on.
Like actually no call outs no no

485
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,840
like let's do X round the start
of a round.

486
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,280
They just went and poked and did
like no come poked until they

487
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,760
got battered.
That's that's a vibe though,

488
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,240
isn't it?
But so it wasn't at the time

489
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960
there was going No2 down in the
challengers staged me.

490
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,840
That's also a vibe for me.
But we we tried to discuss

491
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,360
right, we tried to guess with
liquid orang right, and we said

492
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,160
like, Oh, that the 12th best
team and turns out they actually

493
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:59,560
are getting 3433 rounds, 4
rounds, 3 rounds, 3 rounds in

494
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,160
the second.
The last two maps is is not I

495
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,720
forgot they're on the screen is
not 12 best team behaviour like

496
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,520
like you have to like at least
be.

497
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,800
Not, not against.
I don't.

498
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,760
Even so, I don't.
Think I don't think you could

499
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,400
lose 13113.
Two against anyone would be the

500
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,120
12th best team in the world.
Well, quite hit, but

501
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,840
particularly team who aren't
good.

502
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,560
I don't know if you get dumped.
If they did get bad, if they

503
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,240
lost like that to spirit of like
first half of the year, vitality

504
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,320
or like tournament winning
spirit, I'd just be like, yeah,

505
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,880
fair.
I wouldn't.

506
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,400
Yeah.
Because that that caveat's fine.

507
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760
Because of the players they have
and how good they they are and

508
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,560
the RGLS those teams have sore
is not one of those teams.

509
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:47,520
They're not, they're not those
guys.

510
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,000
They're not even close.
They had they had a Cologne,

511
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,400
they had a Cologne where they
were like really good.

512
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,440
And then the two guys, 2 good
players from that team fucked

513
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,920
off and that's it.
Now what?

514
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,880
Yeah, it's actually kind of sad
to see so will be bad because

515
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920
they're so it was so fun to
watch.

516
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,480
So it was so cool.
And now it's just like as you'll

517
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440
Aragorn and crazy like yeah, no,
I don't care, I'm sorry.

518
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,200
I really don't care anymore.
Can I interrupt with some

519
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,520
breaking news?
Yeah, as it happens, CS have

520
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,880
announced that the major finals
will now be best of fives.

521
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,200
Thank fuck beginning.
With Budapest, I mean, you have

522
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760
to with MR12.
Can we kill best of ones?

523
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Yeah, I mean, that's still the
issue of a best of ones, but

524
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680
this is a very good start.
What if the major final was best

525
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520
of 1 and the opening round was
best of five?

526
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,240
What if you worked in Tesco for
six months?

527
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,640
What if?
And so many problems might be

528
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,040
solved.
I worked in the Co-op for a bit.

529
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,440
It was I, you know, I wanted to
end it all.

530
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Yeah.
No, I mean, this is obviously a

531
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,720
good change, right?
Like in MR12 I think you have to

532
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,360
have best of five because the
games only last about 25.

533
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,720
Minutes I also I also just think
it's not even. 88 rounds.

534
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,640
I don't even think it's to do
with the the MR12 thing.

535
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,040
I just think when every of a
tournament is a fucking best of

536
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,840
five, which I know well, that
part part of that is due to

537
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,040
MR12.
But when every of a tournament

538
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,760
is the best of five, yeah, by
not having the major be a best

539
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,800
of five, you just make the major
worse.

540
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,240
But it's the same with Bo ones
existing.

541
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,840
Like for as long as Bo ones
exist in the major, it will

542
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:44,760
never be as good as like a
stacked PGL because they do all

543
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,160
best of free Swiss with an 18
playoff.

544
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,120
But yeah, it is is just the
unfortunate truth of it.

545
00:28:53,120 --> 00:29:00,800
So it's a start, but it's, it's
not the finished product, is it?

546
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,760
What if the semi finals were
also best of fives?

547
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000
I don't like that so.
Thoughts.

548
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:14,200
I work events so no thank you.
So the other game, you know the

549
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,720
bad one maybe all colours and
the abilities and shit they do.

550
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,360
The Lego one.
Yeah, yeah.

551
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,560
I can't remember if it's best of
five foot upper bracket final,

552
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,120
but certainly the lower bracket
final is best of five because

553
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,480
they do fucking which is
equivalent double LEM.

554
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,360
Playoff ball shot.
With a map or no?

555
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,800
They do.
The team that went through upper

556
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,040
bracket bands, the two maps I
think.

557
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,280
That's pretty good.
I like.

558
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,400
That I think they just decide
which which maps go and then

559
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040
from there they pick their maps
and sides and whatnot.

560
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720
I don't like the lower bracket
final being best of five.

561
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,640
I always find that like a tough
game to watch.

562
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,800
So it's gruelling, a bit of a
drag.

563
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Yeah.
And I also think if you.

564
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,040
If you play the upper bracket
final, lose, play the lower

565
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,120
bracket final, win and then the
final, you've played three Bo

566
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,280
fives.
Yeah.

567
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:25,440
And I also, I also think I also
think like if you're going to do

568
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,480
best of five semi finals, then
you should do best of seven

569
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,640
final.
I don't think any game should be

570
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,120
the same length for it.
No, I'm down in that case, but I

571
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,960
think the final should always be
like the long.

572
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,440
Term for it.
Yeah, Yeah.

573
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,320
I just think.
It just becomes unreasonable.

574
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,280
Like I know it's not too serious
answer right?

575
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,560
But I honestly like.
No, no, I'm being 100% serious.

576
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,760
If you have best of five semi
finals then you have to have a

577
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,920
best of seven final 100%.
Ridiculous.

578
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Like your your final becomes a
12 hour date without a third

579
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,440
place decider as well, which you
have to have now.

580
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,720
So it's just.
Oh yeah, you have to have

581
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,920
logical.
Can't you just like flip a coin

582
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,040
for a third place decider and
have a best 7?

583
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Final, just do a round.
Round difference.

584
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
I swear you don't have to have
the 3rd place decider.

585
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Do you have to have one?
I don't think.

586
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,120
You have to right?
But I think like it's not a

587
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,040
valid rule, but I think Team T
OS are being more preferred by

588
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,000
by teams if they do right,
because you you can get game

589
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,680
right.
Yeah, exactly.

590
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,280
It's all just you.
Know I'm not sure that's true

591
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,200
that teams have been ESL done a
single third place decider yet.

592
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,960
No, they start Chengdu.
Oh.

593
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,120
Yeah.
So yes.

594
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,320
No, this no.
But my point was, I think at the

595
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,800
moment TO's are just being
preferred by if they're Blast

596
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,240
and ESL and that's the only
preference because Blast have

597
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,200
had very little going for them
in terms of like convincing

598
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,480
teams really like their price
pools have been the smallest

599
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,280
this year comfortably I.
Don't even look I'm too rich to

600
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,280
care about other people's money.
Oh, they're probably the blast.

601
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520
Price falls this year have not
been big compared to like what

602
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,200
was Bucharest like probably a
mil blast.

603
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Rivals is maybe.
Was it that 1.25?

604
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Even better Blast Rivals IS350K,
but the price falls have not

605
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,920
been this year.
In the age of of of player

606
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200
salaries and and vRS and the
major and stuff, right?

607
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Like does anyone even really,
players aren't necessarily like

608
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,240
prize, prize money is a a bonus,
right?

609
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880
It's not exactly like somebody
like the placement and the

610
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,600
trophy is kind of what these
people care about.

611
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,080
So I get what you're saying.
I think the major should also be

612
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,000
10 million.
Make it actually.

613
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Ridiculously, I think it should
be who's going to pay for that?

614
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,000
I think it should be at least
who's going to pay for that.

615
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
The company that maybe makes
like what, what is it now?

616
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,200
120 million a month from cable?
Why would they put?

617
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,200
Why would they put up 10?
Million for it.

618
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,320
They put up 55 a year for
fucking data so.

619
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,760
But that's funded by fans.
Then make do that make the CS

620
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,760
community.
Pay Make some content that we'll

621
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,560
pay for.
We already can do it isn't hard.

622
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,680
That's that's another topic, but
I think.

623
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,400
The the the sticker money goes
to the players instead, like

624
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,560
you'd.
Have to yeah, yeah, sorry.

625
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,960
OK, so making.
Team.

626
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,040
I'll also get a share, don't
they?

627
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Make a team Glock.
But that's.

628
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,160
That's or whatever.
There's so many ways you can you

629
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,200
can.
That's what Valerian, yeah.

630
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,600
And the fact is, you don't
actually.

631
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,640
You don't even you.
Don't even.

632
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,560
You don't even buy the stickers
though I feel like.

633
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Make a Make a team.
OK, so you could team, but when

634
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,520
you buy, when you buy the viewer
paths, the viewer pass 2025%

635
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,480
goes.
I don't think.

636
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,880
What is it 7, seven, £8 per
user?

637
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,760
What whatever it costs to buy U
pass?

638
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Is that integral to Val's
fucking bottom line?

639
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,920
Is it or the top line it?
Doesn't matter whether it's

640
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,960
integral.
Businesses exist to make money,

641
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,800
no matter whether it's integral.
No, but of course.

642
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,239
More money than they need to.
The major is not the major is

643
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,159
not the biggest event of the
year.

644
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,719
It still isn't.
That's something that make it, I

645
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,080
think it should be and, and, but
look at, look at, look at Dong,

646
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,679
right?
He cared more about Cologne than

647
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,880
he could about the major.
There, Cologne's the biggest.

648
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,320
Event and that's not even me
trying to be a biased fucking

649
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,679
Saudi shell ESL employee,
whatever Cologne is just the the

650
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,239
status of that is bigger.
I also think on the topic or.

651
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Maybe I just think that's.
Because the major was in China,

652
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,520
though, I don't think I think I
think a major in the West is

653
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,520
more important than the Cologne
person.

654
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,880
No, I think that's like, I think
that's Counter Strike

655
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,199
romanticism.
Cologne is the biggest

656
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,000
tournament of the year, half
because of format.

657
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,520
I don't at all.
I don't think.

658
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Most of the I think most of the
like most memorable.

659
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560
I think most of the most
memorable tournaments in Counter

660
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Strike history are majors.
Yeah, but I think that's because

661
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,240
majors attract more viewership,
right?

662
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,440
Like from casual fans?
But you said they weren't the

663
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,720
biggest of that of the year.
No, I think like.

664
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,000
But I don't think I.
Fucking I don't think it's star

665
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,960
ladder major, was it?
Was it Berlin That was star

666
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,440
ladder?
I don't think that's as

667
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,720
impressive as a Cologne or or a
academiester.

668
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:28,320
I just don't.
Yeah.

669
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,520
And and I also don't think.
I also don't think.

670
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,480
And I think prize pool is a way
you can fix that.

671
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,760
I I don't think for Dunk at
least, winning a major in

672
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,840
Shanghai changes anything to if
he wins it in any other city in

673
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,120
the world.
I think his reaction is the

674
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,240
telling thing.
I think you you might say it

675
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,920
from your perspective.
I think it would.

676
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Oh, OK, maybe if he'd won it.
No, but like.

677
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,840
If he'd won the stock, the
Stockholm Major, the Rio Major

678
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,520
were bigger than Cologne in
those years.

679
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360
They were.
I think Rio might have been.

680
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Rio was.
Definitely bigger what Rio where

681
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,560
the fans didn't.
It's not even a disappointment

682
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,600
in the end.
Rio where the fans didn't.

683
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,840
It was disappointing in the end,
that one.

684
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,480
It was a disappointment in the
end, but that doesn't mean it

685
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,280
wasn't.
It wasn't and also the biggest

686
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,560
event.
Also it was stuck.

687
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,840
Clearly the most hyped event of
the year by a mile.

688
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,440
Stockholm is nonsense, by the
way.

689
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,480
Stockholm should never be
counted like Paris should never

690
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560
be counted not.
No point, Copenhagen.

691
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,400
I I.
Also, shouldn't be counted

692
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,760
because the.
Recent two major.

693
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Last go major.
First two major.

694
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,480
Yeah.
We just, we just, if you just

695
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,080
discount all the Western majors,
all the majors don't count.

696
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,720
Yeah, no.
But no.

697
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,720
But no.
But listen, there's so many

698
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,840
people count about the majors
because they have to cry

699
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960
bullshit.
Sorry.

700
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,920
People cry about Mickey Mouse
majors or or the wrong teams won

701
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,240
it or the formats was was the
issue and stuff whatever right.

702
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,720
Like as we people just mind
about the major all the time,

703
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,840
they do right?
And I think again, you fix this

704
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,520
and you make it undeniable by
making it fuck you money, right.

705
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,440
I think then then it.
Becomes the only thing that

706
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,480
matters, which is what happened,
no?

707
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,320
Because it doesn't.
No.

708
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Yeah, but that's because it was
ridiculous.

709
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,800
But yeah.
But now you have.

710
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,240
What would I say?
Fuck you, money.

711
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,920
But now you have AVRS circuit
that actually allies the major.

712
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,440
The events do matter, right?
Even Philadelphia matters

713
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,280
because of that.
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,280
Which is.
Obviously, right our circuit, I

715
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,880
just think it works, doesn't
show some of the other T OS.

716
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,360
Yeah, I've been to many majors,
I've been to many ESL events,

717
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,120
right.
I don't mean to blast event, I

718
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,960
don't think.
No, I haven't.

719
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,080
I would.
Say.

720
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,800
Atmosphere and like, yeah,
atmosphere and vibes, like

721
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:49,440
majors, I'm not worked out.
So I've been a bit more chilled

722
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,480
out and I've been more of a more
of a spectator, right?

723
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,840
But I still feel like like as a
fan, like the Major has way

724
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,200
that's going on, the ones I've
been to.

725
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,360
Oh I completely disagree.
Every single major I've been to

726
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,840
I've enjoyed much more than
Cologne.

727
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,520
Really.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

728
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,400
100%.
Antwerp major was amazing.

729
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,280
It was my Antwerp major was my
favorite one.

730
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Yeah, but Copenhagen I loved,
Paris, I loved, Stockholm I

731
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,960
loved.
Yeah, I've loved all the main.

732
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:20,720
I'm not saying they're bad
events like.

733
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,680
More than Cologne, Copenhagen.
Like it was fun.

734
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,800
We ate some good food, we got
drinks every night.

735
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,040
The games were pretty crap.
But like, Copenhagen for me,

736
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,840
like, you know, all the other
shit that I can't be asked to

737
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,480
talk about again.
As to why that one's a bit like

738
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,680
just fucking annoying.
Paris was wicked.

739
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Like Paris was so good.
Paris was amazing.

740
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,760
Just just for the fact that we
were for Blast during that made

741
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,600
that better.
I just, I enjoyed, I enjoyed the

742
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
tournament, I enjoyed the
atmosphere.

743
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,960
I thought it was the best
atmosphere of any event.

744
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,960
I've been to Paris.
Paris not to be the guy.

745
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,120
Who goes results and stuff?
22 is good, but again, like like

746
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,160
the Paris results, right?
The teams that were in the

747
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,760
finals in the playoffs were not.
I don't want to be this fucking

748
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,080
bracket format guy, but like,
they were not the best teams in

749
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,800
the world, right?
They were not the best.

750
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,280
They were not the teams you
would you would have picked to

751
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,600
be in to be in the playoffs.
Yeah, well, 2.

752
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,720
I don't.
I don't hate that.

753
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,840
I don't hate.
That OK OK, but the argument for

754
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,320
donk was oh don't cared more
about do you think zai Wu cared

755
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,320
more about winning a major or
winning Cologne?

756
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,120
Do you think Alexi B cared more
about winning a major or winning

757
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Cologne?
Because.

758
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,600
He can't win a Cologne.
Do you think Nico would care

759
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,360
more about winning Cologne or
winning a major?

760
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,760
Well, Nico has won Cologne.
Yeah.

761
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Yeah, no, yeah, no, sure.
But I still which.

762
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,880
You think simple preferred
Everyone wants to win a major.

763
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,960
It's more.
Important, no.

764
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Of course they want to win it,
but I just think like it's.

765
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Bigger than Cologne?
In the calendar you look at the

766
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,360
events, nothing sets it apart
other than an ingame trophy and

767
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,360
stickers.
Like I think major season is

768
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,120
fun.
All the hype around it, when you

769
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,640
have the RMRS and the miners and
stuff, you have like a like a 2

770
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,760
1/2 month stretch of.
Good.

771
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,400
Yeah, that that helped as well.
I love all that stuff and I like

772
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,880
I'm I'm excited for the major.
The issue is I just I don't know

773
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,160
if the last few few majors have
delivered as a spectator.

774
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,560
This, this is the point, right?
Nothing.

775
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,760
Nothing stands out about the
major anymore, right?

776
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,200
The major has best of ones which
we all know as shit, right?

777
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,320
It goes on for fucking ages.
Like it's actually a fucking

778
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,600
slog to get through.
And I know that because Blast

779
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680
hosted the last one, so I have
to watch every fucking game, but

780
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,720
I'm not being fun.
Do you think I'm watching many

781
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,760
firsts, many of the games in
stage one this time now I don't

782
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,960
have to, of course I'm.
Fucking not they they killed it

783
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,200
while removing the RMR like they
they killed.

784
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,800
No, it's not even the fucking
RMR, Elliot.

785
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,160
It's not that it's but it is.
But it is.

786
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,560
OK, it's a lot of the fun of the
major was that there were teams

787
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,280
that would make miracle runs.
No, I'm sorry, you have to

788
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,840
separate major in the RMR and
there's still teams in stage one

789
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,240
that can go on a miracle run in
theory.

790
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:20,680
Like you put that to to say that
that's OK, sure, but like it can

791
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,000
still exist.
Link vision in the last major,

792
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,120
even legacy in the last major,
right?

793
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,240
Like these things can happen.
They're not completely gone.

794
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,360
The issue is the major is now
too long, has too many shit best

795
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,560
of ones, too many crappy teams
which again problem with RMR

796
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,600
system.
Either way like crappy teams for

797
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,640
how long it is before you get to
the good teams?

798
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,480
Best of five final was needed.
That's good great.

799
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,520
But I agree with Jack, the prize
pool is not big enough for how

800
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,360
long it is.
It takes so long and you get to

801
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,920
the same prize pool as PGL
Bucharest where the highest

802
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,520
ranked team was Aurora.
The the major is not as big as

803
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,880
it should be.
Yes the stickers are great, yes

804
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,760
the fucking in game trophies are
great.

805
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,720
But the major isn't as big as it
should be.

806
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Maybe not.
I still think it's bigger than

807
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:24,800
Cologne.
I'm going to have one one final

808
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,600
comment on this though.
Obviously the first 3 colognes

809
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:36,640
were majors, right?
Has that prestige carried them

810
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,000
through?
Because I still think even the

811
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,880
colognes that haven't been
majors have been better events

812
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520
than the majors of those.
Years done, a lot of majors.

813
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:52,040
I think on that what really
helps Cologne is that it doesn't

814
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,760
move from Cologne.
And I think the real test of

815
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,200
that will obviously come in
January, February with Krakow.

816
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,800
Now it's not in Cato.
Yeah.

817
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,360
But it's one thing that I think
every TO should do is they pick

818
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,760
one of their events every year.
Doesn't like it, it doesn't

819
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,160
move.
It doesn't ever move.

820
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Blast kind of had it.
Blast kind of had it with the

821
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,240
Royal Arena.
Should have a blast.

822
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,920
Should be Lisbon.
Lisbon is their coolest event.

823
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,000
But like Blast kind of had it
with that, but they lost that

824
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,200
because of how the Royal Arena
jumped up prices and probably

825
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,040
also just because of how the
Blast circuit was.

826
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,280
But with how the Blast circuit
is now, if if they kill the open

827
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,520
name because Open just sounds a
bit shit.

828
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,400
It sounds bad.
It's not tennis.

829
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,840
Yeah, it just sounds like.
And I say that wearing a blast

830
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,440
open hoodie, by the way.
But shill?

831
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Yeah, you get, you get rid of
that and then you just like,

832
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,720
yeah, blast open.
But the, the autumn one each

833
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:05,840
year or whatever always takes
place in Lisbon within five to

834
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:11,440
six years, especially if you can
maybe make it so it's a major

835
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,640
one of the years that tournament
now means something.

836
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,480
Having a major definitely helps,
but I think if you can have a

837
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:25,320
good a good prize pool and a set
location, it's also good.

838
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,680
So yeah.
Yeah, I do agree.

839
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Yeah, definitely do agree.
We are going to take a short

840
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,160
break because we're 45 minutes
in and we were not expecting

841
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,720
that breaking news kind of
messed with that flow a bit or

842
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,360
we'll take a little break for an
ad and we'll come right back.

843
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,720
So Jack, do you find it hard to
keep up with all the news and

844
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,600
counter strike?
I do, I took a weekend off and I

845
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,320
came back to six new Igl's, 3
retirements and apparently

846
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Malbees waterfall got picked up
by a top 20 team.

847
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Right, that's why I've been
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848
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,440
It's a biweekly e-mail that
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849
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,240
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850
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,000
Read it for three hours while
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851
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Yeah, it's like if HLDV had a
baby with your funniest friend

852
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,320
who actually watches every game.
Yeah, quick hits of news, spicy

853
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,360
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schedules, and even some insider

854
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,840
gossip.
All killer, no filler.

855
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,240
And let's be honest, some of
these tournament formats you

856
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,200
need a guide just to figure out
who's playing who.

857
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,200
TLDR breaks it all down so you
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858
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859
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Like actually funny.
It's like reading a group chat

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861
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862
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640
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866
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867
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,680
it happened.
TLDR you don't have time to read

868
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,200
everything, you still want to
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869
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,760
Take a gun of the way, we're
back in the room.

870
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,840
Elliot.
Yeah, we've got a, we've got a,

871
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,400
we've actually got a double
header for you seasoned listens

872
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,880
of this podcast.
We'll know about Take, and if

873
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,960
you're new to this podcast, take
as a guy in the TLDR discord who

874
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,040
through some sort of psychosis
is able to speak to the voices.

875
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,440
And the voices have dictated
through him that a discussion

876
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,880
should start.
And that discussion is minus

877
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,680
mezi, misspelled plus heavy God
because Vitality are desperate

878
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
for a Ross move, which we'll get
to in a bit.

879
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Minus Mezi plus heavy God.
Thoughts.

880
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,200
Yeah, it's a it's an IDF ploy.
It's more sad.

881
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,880
I'm out.
Moss out of the we.

882
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,480
Take it as a Mossad agent, I'm
not.

883
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,600
That's it.
Oh, I'm out.

884
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,920
Oh.
No, OK, let's go to the take and

885
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,760
then the other taken of the
week, which was sorry, we're

886
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,920
about to get to which is 100
thieves.

887
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,480
If they want to join back in,
they should sign Rain.

888
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Check.
Emma Crimbo fire and let Emma

889
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,480
IGL.
I'm going to start by saying.

890
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,240
Oh, you missed off, you've still
got 2.

891
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Spaces.
You could, if Emma doesn't want

892
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,160
to, IGO.
Yeah, what I was going to say.

893
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,520
You've signed three players
there, none of which are IGO.

894
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,000
Just sign an IGL.
You've got.

895
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,320
You don't need to pick one of
the non ideal, so ideal if

896
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,920
you've still got spaces you can
just pick an IGO, which he then

897
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,880
does and says he wants prison.
Another problem.

898
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,760
With this is.
Another problem of This is why

899
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,440
would Emma leave Navi like am I?
Am I being mad like?

900
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Well, we'll talk about that in a
minute, isn't?

901
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,760
He kind of fine.
We'll, we'll get to.

902
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,320
That kind of fine, I don't know.
Yeah, Navi aren't very good.

903
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,560
He put.
Did you say you make enemies

904
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,360
that much?
Better.

905
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:20,960
No, but main caveat we've we've
taken is psychosis here is that

906
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,960
nature of vRS to stuff 100
thieves will lead us will lead

907
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,320
us on a core they'll need to
sign three players who all exist

908
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,760
have points.
You know these players all have

909
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,280
points individually, but not not
as a cure so well.

910
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,640
It's just the thing it was.
Rambled, but it just doesn't

911
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,520
actually.
It's the thing that was mental

912
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,320
though in it because like in the
tweet that Taken has sent it's

913
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,520
OverDrive tweet saying 100
figures is returning to CS, Rain

914
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,880
has signed a contract on
condition that a strong core is

915
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,440
purchased.
Core free game of Legion players

916
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,960
are in priority so it even says
it.

917
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Therefore, Taken and Taken just
just decided to make his own

918
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,480
core of players he deems to be
strong.

919
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,920
I think after 5 words he can't
get there anymore.

920
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,320
And also it says Rain has signed
on the condition that they

921
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,720
signed a strong core.
So if they don't sign a strong

922
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:15,240
core, he won't have Rain in
Quimbo because Rain won't be

923
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,960
there.
So I wanted.

924
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,680
To do 100 thieves team though.
OK, so like go away, go do

925
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,120
something else.
So I would have, I'd have rain.

926
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,560
OK, I got this guy called
Twists.

927
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,480
You get this other guy called
Frozen.

928
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Fuck off.
Yeah, and then I'd get a nice

929
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,040
girl on an opera.
What about Emma, IG, Elling and

930
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,320
Crimbo on the OR it'd?
Be better than phase.

931
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,720
That's for.
Sure, so I was going to say

932
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,000
right, presuming the gamer
legion corps they would get is

933
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:59,640
PR Towson and Rez and Rain IG
Elling, what's their best case

934
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:05,440
scenario as an opera?
So I've got an idea, but I'm

935
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,920
interested to hear what yours
are.

936
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:19,000
The best case scenario is
dependent on how much they're

937
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,400
willing to spend.
As a rule, yes, it usually is.

938
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,400
Well, yeah, but I think like
because I'm thinking the level

939
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,800
that they're going to sign is
nowhere near what their best

940
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,040
could be.
Because I don't think they're

941
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,160
going to go and spend on
somebody like, I don't know.

942
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,880
I don't even know actually who
they can like.

943
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,360
I'm looking through and I'm
like, who would be?

944
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,520
I feel like doing this so I I.
Think.

945
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:48,200
That would be slightly move, but
I think their best case scenario

946
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,440
is signing whoever isn't Oping
for G2 in January.

947
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,720
And by that I mean G2 in January
will either have climbers, their

948
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,600
OPA, or some Pious as their OPA.
100 feet should just sign

949
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,240
whichever 1 isn't on G2.
Right.

950
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,200
Clemson will be all right now on
loan, correct?

951
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,400
Yeah, it's their best hope.
I don't think I realized he was

952
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,320
on loan.
My first thought was that not

953
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,200
going to get anyone that good.
And I was like Holzer called

954
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,480
Regali.
It seems more in line with the

955
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,880
rest of the team.
I like Holzerk.

956
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,040
I'm a big Holzerk.
I'm a Holzerk guy.

957
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,440
What can I say?
I'm a Holzerk guy.

958
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,640
I think he's good, regardly not
so good, but like he's also on a

959
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,360
terrible team.
It's kind of hard to be to judge

960
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,400
him too hard.
Outside of that, I think you

961
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,680
have to go like pick somebody
from tears.

962
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,440
I imagine he has a ridiculous.
Point.

963
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,680
But Jambo?
He's Wyatt, yeah, they're not

964
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,720
going to get him.
Surely.

965
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,040
There's no way Jambo's just like
he.

966
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560
He's just infested, fanatic with
passion.

967
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,400
UA players.
Like he's not going to go now.

968
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,640
Did you see?
The woman.

969
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,000
'S mate, did you see that clip
from Hedge or TB?

970
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,840
If you get Cypher on this 100
Thieves team, what clip?

971
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Is this Cypher does have a
fetish for terrible orgs?

972
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,480
The the the clip where dog.
Shit dead teams.

973
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,320
The clip where Maui snake was
talking about how I think it was

974
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,200
Maui anyway had a it was talking
about how Cypher just has this

975
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,080
like massive cult following
because of ITB and that fanatic

976
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,360
instead of running with that
decided to pick up a passion UA

977
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,400
core that was never actually
that good in the 1st place.

978
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,480
It was just, it was very nicely
worded.

979
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,600
I I really enjoyed it.
Yeah, I thought you were going

980
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,480
to go there like, oh, he's not
actually that good, he's just

981
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,840
got a court fire.
But actually, yeah, they should

982
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,000
have just fantastic or an
English org.

983
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,560
They're based in England.
Like run with the court

984
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,200
following you have of an English
player.

985
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,840
Do you really play up to that?
But instead you go for the

986
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Ukrainian thing that like nobody
really cares about because

987
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,760
you're not going to be the best
team in Ukraine.

988
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,520
Yeah, and it also, you know,
like branding is important,

989
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,720
right?
Like complexity that it with

990
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:05,920
halzer, they turn halzer into
this fucking hillbilly, right?

991
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Like that was the the honorary,
honorary fucking yank.

992
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,000
There's, you know, rather
competition is one thing, but

993
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,560
also like having an audience and
having a market is is important

994
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,000
for sponsors, for revenue
streams outside of price pools.

995
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,440
If you're not winning
everything, you need to also,

996
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,560
you know, be a good brand.
And I just think that they're

997
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,680
needed over them right now.
Yeah.

998
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I think, I think Holzer could be

999
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,680
a fun wrinkle on this team.
I don't think I think 100

1000
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,080
Thieves are going to struggle to
find an Orpa better than him

1001
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,200
that is willing to join them.
And I'm sure he's willing to

1002
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,360
join them.
I like the.

1003
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,880
Whole I would.
I has anyone anything more to

1004
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,760
say because I've just seen
something that alarmed me

1005
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,360
greatly and oh God.
No, some of the alarmed was it.

1006
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,840
It's going to be a complete like
Thomas Cheney.

1007
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,880
I've just seen, and we were
talking about terrible duos

1008
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,760
earlier.
I've just seen an absolutely

1009
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,400
horrendous team.
Are you ready for the lowest

1010
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,560
firepower team of all time?
Is this a new team?

1011
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,120
Yes.
Have you seen I've I've never

1012
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,120
heard of them.
They're called Kono KONO.

1013
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,720
They are not.
They are this is this is going

1014
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:25,480
to blow your mind.
They have got like 3 of the

1015
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,760
worst players you've ever seen.
Look at the power is on this

1016
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,920
team.
This has alarmed me greatly when

1017
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,480
I was looking for authors and I
just like I was just scrolling

1018
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,840
through teams while you were,
you know, blabbering.

1019
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,080
On you were.
You were audio.

1020
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Listeners fucking himbo.
For audio only listeners, this

1021
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,640
team is burned from Sky as the
IGL, which is already like low

1022
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,760
firepower.
You've got to get some you've

1023
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,440
got.
To get like the previous Epic

1024
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,200
LAN, I'm pretty sure didn't
This, this is the caliber, yeah.

1025
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:10,800
Borup Chaos, who you know, major
finalist, but he was he was not

1026
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,400
very good captain Kirka, who I
like, but it's, you know, he's

1027
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,520
like a solid 4th man on a Tier 2
team.

1028
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,640
And Bermilov, who is, you know?
And Kathy Kukov was was an IG.

1029
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,720
L Bimelov's OK.
I think he's kind.

1030
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:30,160
Of I'm not sure Kurt Cove was I
think I think nipple was.

1031
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,480
I think nipple was the IG L.
No, no, he is now.

1032
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,600
I'm sure Kukuku was previously
the gel.

1033
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,440
I thought it was nipple the
whole.

1034
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,080
Time so one just took over.
From Nipple.

1035
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,160
Yeah, I think nipple was.
And now he isn't.

1036
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,880
Whatever.
Yeah, but he's not.

1037
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,280
Chaos isn't very good.
Vermilov's doing all right at

1038
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,000
the moment.
Friend of the podcast, in a way.

1039
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:03,400
Oh yeah, Love the guy, good guy.
But he he's not, he's not

1040
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,120
firepower, he's not fire like
he's he, he does the hard yards,

1041
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,480
but they've got like 4 guys.
You do the hard yards, they need

1042
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,640
somebody to do the easy yards
and they don't have that.

1043
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,800
Bermilov's kind of fragging on
this team, but he's going to

1044
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,440
have to.
Yeah.

1045
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,720
He's going to have to go berserk
on this team.

1046
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,240
It's this was just a complete
topic change.

1047
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,280
We're already like running late.
I just, I just saw it and it

1048
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,280
alarmed me.
Let's see I mean from from the

1049
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,640
take rain has tentatively signed
Finder thieves.

1050
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,960
I guess that's that's the key
bit, right?

1051
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,320
Yeah, that's let's go back on
track, which I think is, I'm not

1052
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,320
sure how that works with
contract legalities, but like.

1053
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,560
Yeah, you can write.
A pre contract right where he's

1054
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,280
gone yeah, sure, but you need to
have a good call.

1055
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,240
Yeah.
I think it'd be fun.

1056
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,480
I I I've always got 100 users.
A brand.

1057
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,680
I think they're a cool brand.
I don't really care for every

1058
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,160
sports team that they've ever
had.

1059
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,680
Well, they know how to go to CS
team really.

1060
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,880
It's exciting.
I'd like to have them involved

1061
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,840
in CS.
It's exciting, it's how you

1062
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:07,960
read.
It's going to be rain plus

1063
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,720
three-game of Legion players.
Well, and rain is high.

1064
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,960
And Holzerk.
Which I'm concerned about.

1065
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,440
Rain's still fine.
I think Rez is good, PR is good.

1066
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,120
I think Towson is like my
question mark.

1067
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,640
Maybe you get the TR and fucking
go crazy instead of Towson, but

1068
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,760
they're probably not.
I don't know, I think you can

1069
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,200
find it.
It depends what roster they end

1070
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,000
up with, right?
And I think the Opera is a big

1071
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,560
question mark because Lord,
they're not.

1072
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,360
They're not bringing Hypex as
well, is it?

1073
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,560
You would suspect they're going
to bring back Kersey.

1074
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,640
What if he what if he's in the
call because of because of match

1075
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,680
players?
That would be awful.

1076
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,680
He he he will not be signing for
100 Thieves.

1077
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,800
Yeah, I don't even know who the
orb could possibly be.

1078
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,640
I know who this orb could
possibly be.

1079
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,560
That would make this team
exciting to me.

1080
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,040
It would have to be.
Like for for me it would have to

1081
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,720
be Clem unless he's.
It would have to be.

1082
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,920
It would have to be.
It would have to be for me,

1083
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,800
Brokey.
And he's allowed to do whatever

1084
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,040
he wants.
It would have to.

1085
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,360
That was the only way I'd watch
this team.

1086
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,240
Not the best brokey ever.
Exactly, that's the only way I'd

1087
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,560
watch this team.
They just give Brokey free reign

1088
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,520
to do whatever he wants and that
includes sitting on top of

1089
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,400
hearts on Nuke with an orb
trying to no scope people coming

1090
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,800
out of thought, which I have
seen him do and I ever since.

1091
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,320
That's awesome.
Yeah, I've stanned him ever

1092
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,440
since.
Get Oscar.

1093
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,960
Get Oscar.
That's my pick.

1094
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,040
He's like 40.
Get him in.

1095
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,960
Yeah, so great.
Yeah, I think this team won't be

1096
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,880
any better than Gamer Legion.
That's kind of my unless the

1097
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,360
Opera is insane, it's just going
to be game a Legion with a

1098
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,960
slightly, slightly improved role
player.

1099
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,960
And I don't know, that's a bit
harsh on Rain, but that's kind

1100
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,360
of what he is now.
And then, and then it's like,

1101
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,080
oh, and they've signed an actual
opera.

1102
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,920
So hopefully if they say they
don't sign an actual opera like

1103
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,320
game, Legion insisted on doing
them.

1104
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,840
Whatever I mean.
I see what's more fun is what's

1105
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,720
more fun is game.
Legion having probably going to

1106
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,880
have to sign another five
players because they tend to

1107
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,680
find players that have
absolutely nowhere and turn them

1108
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,000
into decent players.
That's more exciting to me than

1109
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,680
100 Thieves.
Game Legion have been doing that

1110
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:27,200
until this year yeah like I I I
trust Ashley scouting he's let

1111
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,280
me down on the last last two
operas they've signed but prior

1112
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,520
to that like he's he's made some
pretty good I mean slender

1113
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,320
wasn't even that good really but
maybe he's not going to signing

1114
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,760
operas but otherwise you know
he's made some pretty good teams

1115
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,680
out out of rubble so.
Yeah, that's more exciting than

1116
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,720
100 Thief.
Should we move on to Chengdu?

1117
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,960
Because it's, you know, we're an
hour in and we haven't even

1118
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,120
talked about where you are,
Jack.

1119
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,720
Yes, I am remotely in Chengdu.
What are you Cheng doing?

1120
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,080
Event coverage and I'm very
sleepy because I'm I'm on an

1121
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,120
inverted sleep pattern.
I'm also very sleepy.

1122
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,120
Should we have a nap?
The like the podcast overtime on

1123
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,880
nap time, nap time on Inferno,
There we are.

1124
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,680
It's.
Been it's been all right.

1125
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,400
Good, bad and ugly.
Kind of kind of group stage so

1126
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,080
far.
Yeah, it's it's not a good time

1127
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,640
for me.
So I've caught more than I have

1128
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,600
done in previous events, but I
watched a lot of the mouse

1129
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,800
versus vitality game.
That was enjoyable.

1130
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,000
That was a good game.
Account strike between two good

1131
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,840
teams.
That's all I'm asking for.

1132
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,880
That's not I didn't get
Bucharest.

1133
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,720
That's all I'm asking for.
I haven't been, not just me, but

1134
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,600
I think the B stream commentary
team are some of the Aussie

1135
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,040
boys.
It's Sam muted, I haven't heard

1136
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,880
him say anything and.
I'm I'm.

1137
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,040
I'm back.
I'm back.

1138
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,040
Now it's stressing me out I felt
like.

1139
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,280
What are your opinions?
On on Chengdu, yes.

1140
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,800
So obviously there's an event,
yeah.

1141
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,000
So obviously with the fantastic
time zone it takes place and

1142
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,600
I've been watching so much of
it, I've been really enjoying

1143
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,080
it.
I think every game has been one

1144
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,800
of the best games I've watched
this year.

1145
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,760
No, I've I've not I'm.
Not like you're not awake at

1146
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,600
these times.
Yeah, but I've been watching

1147
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,800
over shit.
I have been awake.

1148
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,120
No, I'll probably watch the
playoffs.

1149
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,360
I've watched like highlights and
shit.

1150
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,240
What I will say is if you look
at the four teams that were

1151
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:39,040
already out, Charlie, yeah, this
is a terrible result.

1152
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:44,080
This is a terrible result for
three out of four of those

1153
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,320
teams. 4 out of four of those
teams. 3D Max.

1154
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,840
This is the second second event
in a row.

1155
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,680
Generally going out last is not
good I would say.

1156
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Yeah, but it's more acceptable
when you're Tylo.

1157
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,600
I think this is the second event
that 3D Max has gone out in a

1158
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,320
row in last place in a row, but
Navi in phase.

1159
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,200
What the fuck are you like
doing?

1160
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,920
Actually, what are you doing at
this point?

1161
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,920
I feel like once we talk about
this, he was being awful every

1162
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,240
week and Navi, I'm like, I care
less about Navi getting better

1163
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,760
because I didn't even really
care when they were that good.

1164
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,960
Not that's if they got rid of
jail.

1165
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,400
I just I'm just my interest in
the team is kind of squandered

1166
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,240
and until bit goes to Falcons, I
just don't really care.

1167
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,280
Phase, like you know, my
thoughts on phase is phase of

1168
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,760
structure and and leadership.
But like this is like

1169
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,040
horrendously bad, especially
after what happened at EPL with

1170
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:36,760
with the.
Fucking.

1171
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,560
Stand in situation and stuff.
I'd also like to say at this

1172
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,880
point, I'd also like to say at
this point, if you're currently

1173
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,160
watching this podcast and you
don't subscribe to the

1174
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,520
newsletter that you got a lovely
ad break for earlier, you should

1175
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,120
subscribe to it.
And you should also go on the

1176
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,240
website because there will be a
deep dive talking about how

1177
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,320
fucked phase are that will
release at the same time as this

1178
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,800
podcast or a few hours later.
So read that because I actually

1179
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,920
predicted that they would do
horribly in Chengdu and I wrote

1180
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,920
an article about it.
So enjoy it, do you know?

1181
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,520
What's what's kind of jarring
about this?

1182
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,680
Or not jarring but like, and I
know I talk about this like

1183
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:26,120
multiple times a week, but Phase
did not play with this line up

1184
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,840
at any point before the vRS
lock.

1185
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,840
They are going to play at the
major with a roster they did not

1186
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:36,200
qualify the major for and a
roster that on this form would

1187
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,800
not get out of vRS.
They would not get out of the

1188
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,880
RMRS. 3D Max are in horrendous
form.

1189
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,800
They would probably bomb out of
the RMRS.

1190
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,800
Gamer Legion are a dead team.
They would probably bomb out of

1191
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,280
the RMRS.
But instead we have to watch

1192
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,520
these teams like fucking carry
their corpse around in the

1193
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,600
biggest event of the year.
And it is the biggest event.

1194
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,320
I don't fucking give a shit if
you think Cologne's bigger

1195
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,120
biggest event of the year.
We have to watch these fucking

1196
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,640
dead teams carry their corpses
around because these stupid

1197
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,280
fucking vRS rules.
Miserable.

1198
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,880
It ain't good, is it?
3D Max have gone out last in two

1199
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,400
events in a row, but they're
because they're the one of the

1200
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,800
best teams in the world
according to fucking HLTV

1201
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,120
writers.
They just go to the major

1202
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:18,880
anyway.
They won't.

1203
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,000
They can't win a fucking game.
They're rubbish.

1204
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,200
And I'd like 3D Max before, but
on current form they are not one

1205
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,840
of the best teams in the world.
Neither A phase for that matter.

1206
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,560
Phase aren't even like.
I mean.

1207
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,360
Close to it and and and there's
always the the, the the dream of

1208
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,760
them having a run and doing a
right, right like they do at the

1209
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,160
majors.
Supposedly they they show up and

1210
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,360
turn it on, but that was old
phase not not.

1211
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,200
I still think in my perfect
system, I think in my perfect

1212
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,400
system, 3D Max would still get
an invite.

1213
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,320
I liked the way that they did it
for Austin.

1214
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,680
Like I didn't like the fact that
the Armas were online and had

1215
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,600
best of ones and no coaches and
whatnot, but I think the way

1216
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,320
they did it for Austin where
like some teams got invites and

1217
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,640
then beyond that there was RMR
qualifiers.

1218
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:02,840
I can't remember how many teams
it.

1219
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,440
Was am I got invites OK?
With that, I, I, I like that and

1220
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,960
I think 3D Max would have still
been in invite range if that was

1221
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,160
the case.
Again, they shouldn't.

1222
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,080
Well, where are they in Europe?
But then but then also the vRS

1223
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:23,160
way too early like you know like
3 weeks in counter strike is

1224
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,320
like 3 months in like a normal.
Sport the rough.

1225
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,360
In three weeks you can go from
the best team in the world to

1226
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,240
fucking dog shit like.
The rough lot thing solves the

1227
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,800
issue of visas and invites and
all this stuff like, but by

1228
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,160
doing that it's created another
issue with, but the teams that

1229
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,280
aren't, I don't know, the major
shouldn't be there right like

1230
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,320
that.
That's now no one's going to

1231
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,400
miss out because of visas or
political issues and stuff.

1232
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,880
Great, awesome, but now you have
to watch a bunch of shit teams.

1233
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,320
Yeah.
What, what are we?

1234
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,160
It's just it always sucks when a
team miss out for for non game

1235
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,080
reasons, right?
Like, you know, that is never

1236
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,520
good.
Obviously maybe hosting events

1237
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,240
in America is is the reason for
that because there's

1238
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,840
historically those majors that
have had the visa issues, but I

1239
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,320
just, I don't know, man.
It's frustrating, but anyway,

1240
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,720
Chengdu itself has been fought
because these teams have bombed

1241
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,960
out deservedly and then the
like.

1242
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,680
Some of the upper bracket games
have been great, like the the

1243
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,160
the mouse.
Was VP were impressive so far?

1244
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,480
VP would like genuinely good for
some reason.

1245
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,120
Yeah.
They like fame was going,

1246
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,200
absolutely.
Heroically not on a pretty good

1247
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,320
form as well.
I was in.

1248
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,680
They knocked out Navi.
Yeah, I mean, heroics, whatever.

1249
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,040
I just struggled to care any
more about heroics.

1250
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,520
No, but.
Even even the Mongols Australis

1251
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,040
game is quite enjoyable given
like both teams are pretty

1252
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,240
rubbish.
Just tight.

1253
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,160
Just keep going.
It's always.

1254
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,840
But yeah, the event's been fun.
These sort IMS are always a

1255
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,920
little bit difficult because the
group stages obviously you know,

1256
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,720
there's no play in or stage 1,
so it's just like 3 days of

1257
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,880
eight Bo threes.
It's kind of a lot of siesta,

1258
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:03,200
kind of digest at once, but this
should be a pretty fun playoffs.

1259
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,240
I think so.
Fury and Miles are free, right?

1260
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,880
That's always a good start and
then it's Falcons and Australis

1261
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,240
are also through so.
Can I say it's a shame that only

1262
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,640
one of G2 or Vitality can make
playoffs?

1263
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:27,840
Can I say as a as a final point,
because I assume that we're

1264
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,320
wrapping up shortly, Charlie,
I'm just going to send you a

1265
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,200
tweet real quick.
I'll put it in podcast spam,

1266
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:42,240
Something that Pimp pointed out
now a few a few episodes ago,

1267
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,360
Elliot, you spoke about Falcons
being like second best team in

1268
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,520
the world with Spirit.
Awesome.

1269
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,360
From the time I disagreed
because you know, I thought it's

1270
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,400
ridiculous to still not have
Vitality in the top 2.

1271
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,600
We do now have I think 4 best
teams in the world again and

1272
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,440
it's Spirit, Falcons, Vitality
and Furia.

1273
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,920
I know Mouse just beat Vitality
but I'm not sure I'd include

1274
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,360
Mouse in this top 4 but make it
a top five if that does you

1275
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,720
better.
Falcons are in really good form,

1276
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,479
I will say.
I will say you didn't watch the

1277
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,319
mouse vitality game.
They were like good CS.

1278
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,000
That was the most impressed I've
been watching mouse in a long

1279
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,640
time.
Brolan was like just straight up

1280
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,560
out calling Apex.
Like seriously just out calling

1281
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,479
him Spinks.
I mean the I think it was the

1282
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,600
inferno game.
Spinks had one of the most

1283
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,200
insane rounds I've ever seen.
You can't.

1284
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,760
Judy came back like he literally
aced everyone in like 8 seconds

1285
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,319
in a full by round.
He didn't just headshot.

1286
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:49,000
Everyone, I want to speak on
Brolin quickly because I know

1287
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:50,960
you have thoughts on his
calling.

1288
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,840
There's some shoulder content
that's going on during Chengdu

1289
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,800
where players are pretty ranking
the top three RGLS, right?

1290
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,880
A lot of them in some order.
Well, most of them start with

1291
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,680
Apex, but they included Chopper
and Brolin in the top three,

1292
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,319
which I think is very
interesting because I rate

1293
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:11,680
Chopper.
As we know, Apex is obviously

1294
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:16,359
the number one, but Brolin being
up there is is is, yeah,

1295
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:18,439
interesting to me.
I do find that a bit.

1296
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,760
Teams seem to think.
I do find that a bit odd because

1297
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:27,000
Mouse have had some horrible tea
sites at points this year, some

1298
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,680
really bad ones, but I want
Brian to be a good idea they.

1299
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,960
Did under SUI right?
No mate, they played one event

1300
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,120
with SUI this year, no.
No, I meant before that.

1301
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:39,800
Like they.
Oh, right.

1302
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,880
OK.
Like mouse had these drop offs

1303
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,120
with sui as well.
Like I think that's a mouse

1304
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,120
thing rather than a April.
Maybe yes.

1305
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,160
They've always, they've always
had this soft underbelly.

1306
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,240
No, I I want I like this mouse
team as the five they are.

1307
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,520
You know, like if Jim Fat played
better.

1308
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,200
Great.
If Roland continues to have

1309
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:05,000
success as Nigel or you know,
success in mouse terms, great.

1310
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,360
Like I like the five.
It's it's a good team.

1311
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:16,800
Pick your major winner now.
I'm seeing Spirit as a fan, but

1312
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,440
I think Falcons have a a clean
shot of this.

1313
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,280
Sure, The thing is right.
You you said pick your major in

1314
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,000
and out and instantly I just
wanted wanted to say Falcons,

1315
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,960
but I'm going to stick with
Furia mostly because Jack said

1316
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,800
Falcons, but also because like,
I'm sorry, I've watched enough

1317
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,880
of Nico at majors to know what
happens and it makes me sad.

1318
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,600
I really want to see Nico with a
major like I really do.

1319
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,720
But I know and.
It makes you sad to say that

1320
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,240
because you know I was going to
say it and you hate it when I do

1321
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,560
it.
I'm going to go tried,

1322
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,360
interested, tried and tested.
Vitality are going to win it.

1323
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,720
They're just going to step it up
when they.

1324
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,400
Need.
Do you know what I actually

1325
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:59,520
think?
G2 would sleep up for this major

1326
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,400
though.
I actually think, and there'll

1327
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,240
be a, it will be a horrible
major now because this is

1328
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,880
happening.
You asked that question and

1329
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,480
there's just four teams that I'm
just like, yeah, no, they

1330
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:13,720
actually probably do have each
like a 20% chance of winning and

1331
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,600
the remaining 20% chance just
goes to every other team

1332
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:22,520
involved.
G2 don't count out G2.

1333
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,000
That's what I'm saying.
Look, we've got I think 3 weeks

1334
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,920
to the major, so you've got
plenty of time to flip flop,

1335
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,120
change your opinion.
I know we've all got stuff to do

1336
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,760
this afternoon and we've been
here for an hour and 15 minutes

1337
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already.
We've talked about everything

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there is in Counter Strike.
If you want any more, sign up to

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the newsletter.
That's all I'll say.

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Sign.
Up to the newsletter.

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Join the discord DM Jack
pictures of your cock.

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Don't do that, preferably.
No, please do that.

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If I get one, it's going in the
newsletter, just so we're clear.

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We will see you all next week
when Jack is hopefully a little

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bit more awake.