Everything you need to know for the StarLadder Budapest Major

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Jack, Sam.
Logan, Hello.

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Back.
This is too sick, Logan.

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This is a hateful.
Podcast.

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It's 10:30 in the morning.
I have my cup of coffee.

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Chicago mug.
I take that it's cool.

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From from Stan's Donuts in
Chicago.

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It's a great place.
They actually so they have a mug

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where there is a hole through
the middle of where the donut.

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Hole like a doughnut.
Yeah, of the mug.

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It's really cool.
Did you ever not own that mug?

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Never mind, actually.
Anyway, yeah, anyway, main

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season is upon us, Yeah.
And that's how you know that.

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That's how you know that it's
the major seasons because I'm

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back.
Yeah, Logan makes his.

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Biannual appearance for the
major and then I fuck off.

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And we get more views than ever.
We get more views than ever and

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more comments.
I should come back and I never

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do.
So here's where we stand today

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is we have our tier list as per
usual on what the major is going

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to look like.
We're going to go through the

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entire tier list and talk about
it.

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And as per usual, and by usual I
mean like recently, I don't know

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what the fuck is going on on
this tier list so Sam and Jack

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going to explain to me why
they've placed the teams in

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these spots here and why my
pickams are so fucked from what

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I thought I knew.
I will say you not knowing

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anything, it's no different to
Elliot being on the show.

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So yeah, it's really not have a
different.

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Experience at all.
You know, it's really funny that

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the two of us survived doing
this podcast for three years,

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just the two of us.
Yeah, I think standards did

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noticeably improve when I got
here.

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I'm just going to say it.
And then brought back down when

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I joined anyway.
Well.

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Shall we, shall we start?
Let's start.

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All right, so let's start at the
bottom with our our lowest tier

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here, the move on tier a tier in
which we don't give a shit about

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these teams and we're not going
to Dean to talk about them more

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than the six seconds we're going
to give right now, which is

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rare.
Adam the Huns and Red Knids.

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What's a knid?
That's my question.

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What actually is a knit?
Is it like a fox?

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Box.
Surely I'm seeing the tail?

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Or are they just?
Can we can we verify this before

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we move?
On it is a mammal of the dog

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family.
What's OK?

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It's it's, it's kind of doggy
foxy.

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It's kind of doggy foxy.
Wow, we're in.

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There is it what a creature is
that?

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Is that what a coyote looks
like?

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I've never seen a coyote but.
Not no.

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OK.
But I mean they like seem like

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general.
Dingo, hyena, that kind.

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Of thing Coyote is like horrible
like wiry things.

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They can be depends like where
the coyote is like if the

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coyote's in like.
If they're in the wire factory.

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If they're in like rural
Wyoming, then probably because

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there's no food.
Right, right.

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Well the teams then.
If you don't have, if you don't

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have two of these teams in Euro
free for stage 1, you are just a

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Dick head.
Is is the truth of it.

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You've got one of them, I'll
give you that.

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Yeah, I.
I mean, OK, to be fair.

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I don't know how regular got to
the major.

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On the basis I've seen, well, I
can tell you how it's because

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like they've diluted the major
and now everyone, yeah.

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Systematically, yeah.
Can we talk about that?

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For two seconds because I opened
up HLTV to do my pickups like 2

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days ago and I was flabbergasted
at the amount of teams that are

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at this major.
And I know that there was the

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same amount of teams as there
were last time, but it feels

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like everyone and their mother
is here and there's just too

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many teams.
Do you know why it feels like

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more?
It's because there is more.

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No, no.
Oh, OK.

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I I have the same feeling.
I think one part of it is a

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knock on effect from knowing
what it's like from now being

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used to Stage 1 and the fact
that stage 1 is terrible and

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really boring to watch.
I think the other part is that

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the Americas region got itself a
couple more spots.

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So there's just a couple of
teams that you look that look at

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and it's like, oh, these teams
are legitimately shit.

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And it's just.
But like, Redcon is a shit in

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South America.
Yeah, yeah, Red.

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They're bad domestically.
Like it's, it's not like.

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Seventh highest rated team in
Brazil.

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It just, it feels like if the
goal of the major is to be a

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pinnacle of Counter Strike, we
just should not have 32 teams.

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That just feels like too many
pinnacle.

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That's.
It's more stickers to sell and

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it, yeah, that's why it exists
and because that's a big point.

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They can't be asked to run RMRS.
It's not like they'll run them

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anyway.
Well no, and I don't understand.

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RMRS are a bastard to run but
like anyway.

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Well, we we manage doing them,
so can't be that bad, but yeah,

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sure.
Yeah, so redknaid's not even

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good in South America.
The Huns, they're just not good

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enough. 3rd best Mongolian team.
Who's the second?

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Oh.
No, they are.

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Chingis Warriors, but.
They are probably the second but

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like and Rare Atom.
Rare Atom are playing with a 32

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year old assistant coach.
Player coach, which is awesome.

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No, no, no, no.
He was.

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He was gone after about a week.
Jack.

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Really.
That's excellent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel like we've spent enough

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time on the.
Movie we have certainly OK.

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All right, let's go to the happy
to be here category.

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These are the teams that are in
fact happy to be at the major.

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They're happy we went to 32
teams.

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They're psyched to get their
sticker money.

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I'll start at the on the right
side with B8 or Bates, however

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you want to say it.
They're just, they're just not

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being as good as they they were.
Like they were kind of your RMR

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team were like, oh, they
probably might win the RMR kind

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of thing when we had RMRS and
now they're.

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Not hold on now that we're now
that we're at actual teams that

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like maybe may matter, can we,
can we start reminding those of

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us who may be a little bit
stupider who these teams are and

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who may be on these teams and,
and what it may have changed

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since last may?
My my, my theory here is we have

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a lot of viewers similar to me
who pay attention at the major

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and that's it.
I don't know what the fuck B8

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have done in the last six
months, so let's.

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So would you like I mean.
HLTV and read them out.

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Logan, you're a very efficient.
Man, I I could do that.

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I just.
Also, I could just tell you

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basically this is the remnants
of the Ukrainian teams that no

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one wants.
So you've got Alex 666, who's

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pretty good NPL, formerly of
Navi.

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He was pretty good Head Trick,
formerly of NIP, Essential of

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Santheel.
I'm not sure really what his

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name is.
And then Kenzie saw who replaced

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Captain Kirk.
He's the name you might remember

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from BA from Captain.
Kirk the Goat.

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Yeah.
So they replaced him.

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They're kind of they're OK.
So over the course of the season

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I believe it's Alex 666 has
taken over the IGL reigns from

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correct nipple.
His rating is fucking tanked and

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B eights results recently have
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Another player who was tanked is
head trick.

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He is looking dog shit in the
last three months and I want to

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say it's like a nought .9 free
rating.

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It's really low for an opera,
really, really bad.

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And B8 are a team that could be
in out in stage 2 or they could

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be in happy to be here because
like realistically, stage 1 is

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that poor.
They probably do go through, but

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they are also that poor right
now that like they're a team

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that if this was us in stage 1,
they're probably in your your

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four teams that you're you're
looking at as like a free O

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candidate now.
It's like, all right, you're

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going to be, you're going to be
pushing this one fucking close,

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lads.
I think it's important to to say

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as well, like they might go
through like a three, two team,

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but that depends on like the
better teams not sticking it up

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and going through stage 1, so
30.

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Basically, they don't control
their own fate is what.

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You're I'd say so, yeah.
Like they they can end up in

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matchups that they could
probably have 5OK35050 games

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after having two games that
they're meant to lose.

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Right, OK.
If if for example, phase shut

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the bed, right, there's a chance
that that messes up the games

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further down the line.
So there's a world where they

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make stage 2.
There's a world where they go

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out. 1323 probably.
All.

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Right, move on to MIPR.
So who are international now?

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Yeah, there's kind of this.
This might intrigue you.

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So there's two players on loan,
Klim and kicker.

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Kicker you'll obviously know
quite well.

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Yes, he's like that dog shit
fifth player of Jame teams that

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somehow has won a couple of
trophies despite being bad claim

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that qualifies under a couple of
trophies.

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Klim is another random like 12
year old Orpa from Russia who is

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actually really really good with
his hands.

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Especially when those hands are
being used to look for a scoped

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weapon he has.
A1 free one last three months,

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by the way, which is like,
bonkers.

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Yeah, he's on loan from G2's
Academy.

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I've been saying for a while on
the podcast that in January, I

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think there's a good chance he
is G2's offer.

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He has the potential to just get
them in Stage 2 on his own.

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I will say also.
Is exit however you say that

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fuck his name and insanely.
Insanely is also a name to to

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keep an eye on the right.
I think he's still pretty,

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pretty fucking solid.
Yeah, yeah.

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If Brazil, if Brazil didn't have
the issues with with buyouts and

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stuff, he'd probably be on
Furia.

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I would say before Furia did the
things they've done.

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Yeah, if Brazil didn't have the
issues with buyouts, Furia

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wouldn't be as good as they are
now.

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What?
What's the is there?

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Is there a very quick back story
to why Safe is no longer the

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offer for this team?
He's not very good.

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OK, that's a good back story.
Yeah.

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And you can get a 20 year old on
loan who's going to be good and

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OK.
You don't have to do much about

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it really.
So yeah.

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Don't even say any more than
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MLBR they've been pretty decent
since getting Cleman kicker.

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They've won a couple of ship
tier events.

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They've won at least one.
OK.

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OK, they won free shit tier
events in a row, but when

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they've gone international,
their results haven't exactly

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been great.
Yes.

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So again, they're still just,
they're happy that South America

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has so many spots.
They've been good domestically,

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but they haven't been able to
make it work internationally.

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And you don't.
Yeah, and neither of you really

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expect them to start to making
it work internationally today?

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No, this is all just like a
continued advert for Clem's own

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ability and nothing else.
Yeah.

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And he's in the shop window.
Really dying?

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Already.
Yeah, game religion.

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Not the game Legion of old, not
the team where I think everyone

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kind of writes them.
Things have gone quite wrong

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since since since he joined and
now been replaced by Hypex.

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What is going wrong because I
knowing nothing right, I did my

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pickups and my pickups included
gamer legion go in on further

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right originally put them 30.
I've been now told that's a poor

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decision.
But like where did where what

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went wrong between the last
major where we were basically

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saying like oh, this could be a
playoff team or or just outside

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the playoffs into great.
We're so happy.

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We're here, even.
Though it seems like they still

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have the same core that they had
before.

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They just can't get impact out
of an Whopper.

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So we we were we were speaking
on the podcast this week about

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how when you're a certain degree
of team, I was basically saying

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that in Tier 2 and Orpa are like
truly stellar Orpa and having an

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Orpa that can be impactful like
most games is more important

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than tier one.
Yeah, I agree.

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I'm going to I'm going to use
this this section to explain my

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point further.
Right there is there is Tier 2

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where you get flash bang less,
you get mollied less.

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And if you have this kind of
stellar orpa, this finger of

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like that Nikka does has kind of
positioned him as himself as in

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the past few years.
You will go up the ranking

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because that player will get you
up the ranking themselves.

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Then when you get to Tier 1, the
best teams still have good orpas

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because they're what separates
them.

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But it's not the reason they're
generally winning.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean like in furious case,

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maybe it is.
I think you know that will

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probably be, I think Moladoy
will end up being a meta

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defining player.
But but but generally but but

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but generalization here is that
the reason you win in Tier 2 is

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because your offer is better.
Well, whereas Tier 1 there's.

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So much more.
I think it's it's just that the

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difference that OPA makes is OK.
Is is more noticeable?

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But so.
At that lower tier.

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So the point I want to further.
Or less at high tier, yeah.

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If you look at the playoffs
filler content and the out in

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stage 3 rows, every one of these
teams, there's a couple who are

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underperformers, which is what
I'll lead to.

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Pretty much every one of these
teams has an author that is

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around the similar level.
OK, like literally like.

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I'll believe you for now.
We'll obviously we'll have more

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conversations, but I'll believe
you for.

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Now they're all around similar
ratings.

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They all have similar output.
Then there's Gaming Legion and

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another team, which we'll talk
about in a bit, I'm sure, who

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actually just have bad orpas.
And this is the thing that you

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can't, you can't have a bad
orpa.

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They matter.
Orpas matter less.

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But when you have a bad orpa,
you're losing that.

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They give a percentage from your
game.

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So in the in the month since
Austin, I can't remember when

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the fuck they signed Kirsty
because the fact that he was on

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a tier one team feels like a
fucking fever dream still

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because he's that bad.
They signed him.

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He's not.
He's not Lumi, but.

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OK, they signed him after
Austin.

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He's not Lumi, but he's fucking
close.

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But you're going to be bad to be
signed after a major and not

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make it to the next major.
Yeah, yeah.

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They don't even give you a
chance.

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That's not great.
So after that they signed a guy

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called Hypex from bet click
apogee and he is also not being

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good.
OK I thought that was hyper from

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big Academy.
No, no.

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No, no.
But he's also not good.

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Anyone that starts with hype is
just not good right now is what

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you're.
Talking about yeah, yeah.

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So Hypex, just like Jacob, who
went to phase from the same

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team, has not hit the ground
running.

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And I also just think that
potentially gaming Legion

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because of Kersey and because of
Hypex at this point are kind of

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just struggling from confidence
issues because they can't win a

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fucking game.
You're seeing less out of PR,

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less out of Rez, more out of
Towson, which suggests that in

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response having bad Orphers,
they've also changed their

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system because Towson was not a
good player.

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Like not to be getting as much
out of him as he is now.

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And I don't think that.
I just don't think they're in a

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good place as a team.
I think after this major they

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might make some considerable
changes and Ash might finally be

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looking to get his his move up
the ladder before his reputation

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dies.
Because at this point Slend was

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OK for a while but then dropped
off Cursy.

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Terrible ipec's not looking good
at this point.

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They had a core for the major,
right?

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Questions.
I think.

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Maybe.
I think a core was standing in

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again because he said in Dallas
and they were like better with

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him so.
Yeah, so we're at a point now

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where like some questions I ever
need to be asked of ZTR and and

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Ash about their ability to have
an opera in their system to

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utilize because yeah, because
some Igls can't, right?

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Like Dexter always kills operas.
MSL couldn't deal with an opera

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and maybe.
Wow, unless he was the opera.

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Yeah, yeah.
Unless he was an opera,

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different story.
So maybe it's that.

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I don't know.
But yeah, Game Illusion, not in

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a great place.
They probably do make it to

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stage 2, but on their current
form, like if the major was two

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months later, they ain't
qualifying.

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OK, All right, let's move on.
Lin Vision is our next team on

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the list.
So I have some questions here

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because Lin Vision, last time we
watched the Major, almost made

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the playoffs off of what seemed
like more of a miracle run than

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I think most people would have
expected.

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And yeah, my assumption based on
them being in this position is

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they haven't really improved on
that miracle run, right?

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That they haven't like taken the
things kind of to heart and and

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improved based on that.
They just went back to their

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original form.
Put it this way, they're losing

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to Ray Ratham right now.
Yes, I see that.

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And Ray Ratham in the move on to
you.

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So OK, maybe there's some
adjustments needed.

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I'm not sure.
They're a team of of OK players

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with funny names.
There's no one really who stands

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out on that team.
Zaka.

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Zaka's pretty good.
Zaka is a better role than GG is

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just a better team player.
Yeah, I mean, star is also like

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reason why he's been worse
lately, but the rest of the team

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are kind of three players don't
don't have a positive rating in

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the last three months, so.
This is an unrelated bit, but W

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Melon has been on Linn Vision
for eight years and five months

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it's.
A long time.

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It's quite.
Impressive.

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Really long time and Zachar has
been on this team for six years

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and three months.
Yeah.

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Good for them.
Yeah, like limb fish.

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Respect.
Please continue.

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Sorry.
I think, I think going back to

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Austin, right, I think a lot of
teams were worse during Austin.

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Yeah.
I think the level of competition

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in the last six months has
improved so much like, you know,

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I think like from from top to
bottom, I think Furia are as

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much favourites as Vitality were
for Austin.

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Yeah, but the last time we did
this we had could upset

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Vitality.
This time we have potential of a

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winners.
Yeah, I changed the wording of

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that for a reason.
It just feels like the top is a

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little bit more close is what
you're getting out here.

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Yeah.
I think we can we can say that

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for for for then yeah.
But I think the difference was

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like asked him as fatalities
major to lose, right.

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Whereas this is this is a kind
of have to try to win right.

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That's.
What you're saying?

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I think that's that's the nicest
way to sum it up.

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Play offs, filler content,
There's a team like fucking

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Legacy in it and they're there
on merit, right?

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Like they're not there because
we think other people are bad.

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Like they are there on merit out
in Stage 3.

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There's a number of teams there
who are relatively.

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Strong we'll get.
We'll get to all those teams.

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Yeah, yeah, your point.
Here is that this there are

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teams who actually have merit of
being very good at this major,

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whereas in the last major there
were tons of standings and stuff

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and it felt like Lynn Vision
just kind of had their shit

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together at the right time.
Well, that and it's just when

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there's this many teams, how
many teams can you prepare for

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and when there's an Asian team
in Stage 1?

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You don't watch the demos
exactly.

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If you're a European team higher
up the ladder, are you watching

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their demos?
Do you really do them as a

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threat?
Historically and also Lynn

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Vision were really good at like
2 maps if I remember right it

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was yeah Nuke.
We also have to remember there

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were lots of Bo ones.
I mean there would be Bo ones

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now as well.
But yeah, was it?

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Was it Nuke and Train or Nuke
and Inferno?

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They were really good at
Inferno, they were really good

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on.
Yeah, they were, they were good

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at 2 maps, right?
They had a fucking 2 map map

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pool that can get you through a
major because if you pick the

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right maps, you will play those
maps.

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And it's part of why the major's
actually shit and that.

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However, we've now seen more of
them in the six months since and

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they're just not very good and
they lack the overall team play

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and firepower of Tyler.
All right, let's let's move.

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We spent a lot of we're spending
a lot of time in the happy to be

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here tier.
I want to I want to get moving

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to the the more important tiers.
So fanatic.

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Fly through the teams with FS.
Fuck Fanatic.

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And that's it.
Fuck Fanatic.

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The only context you're getting
about Fanatic is that they

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pissed off everyone by removing
Cypher.

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They removed Cypher.
Right.

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And they brought someone else
back in.

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After Cypher crushed at Frank
Adelphia where Fanatic pulled

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off a great qualification, they
draw in Chicasmo who is like oh

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passing away with Fear and Jambo
and has fucked the role.

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Balance of the team is not a
better player in the slightest

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and and they've yeah, I think
everyone hopes they suffer for

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it.
Huge.

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I'm here for it.
Fuck for.

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Now also free blame, free blame
F, but that's regardless I'm

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sorry.
Blame F.

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Yeah, like a big.
Thrushes on this team.

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He's he's fine.
We don't hate, have we?

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We've gone full circle and blame
F.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, always.
Like blame F because I'm not a

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sweet brain.
A lot of reference looks exactly

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the same as I had expected it to
look.

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Since JKS joined the team.
Since you were.

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Last yeah, and they've not
really gone by.

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OK, to be fair, I did know that
JKS joined this team and I also

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knew that Azer was moved to
coach.

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So here's the interesting thing
with Fly Quest right back in

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Austin.
They brought in Netek, and Netek

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looked hot shit.
Since JKS has come in, they've

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moved around Netek's roles and
now Netek just looks shit.

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So where?
JKS is not as good as he was on

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G2.
Yeah.

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And I'm not going to claim to
watch fly quest matches because

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I have sanity still.
If JKS came in and took star

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roles, JKS completely missed the
point of going back to Flight

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Quest.
JKS should have gone back and

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just been liaised.
But good.

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And if that team doesn't realise
that, they're never going to be

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good.
Yeah.

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That that that heart removal was
very smooth, Logan that.

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Was real.
Thank you, it was annoying my

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ear.
OK, I like that the the yeah,

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yeah.
And then Fluxo and.

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I definitely are happy to be
here.

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Comparison for Fluxo of God.
This is the they're basically

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yes.
And so remember old Furia, the

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first Furia with art and Vinny
with art.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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It's that team again and and Art
has not changed how he plays at

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all.
Awesome that.

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So they were fun and people and
they would maybe win a map and

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they're done again now, OK.
What I will say about Fluxo, the

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best thing to say about Fluxo
going into this major is that

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they're in the happy to be here
category, not the move on

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category.
Because the other teams that

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bad, the other teams are that
bad that they will win a game.

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When they play one of them, they
will win.

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That will be as good as their
major will be.

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00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,080
OK.
So there our next tier is called

454
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,640
NA Omega Wall and before anyone
says anything, I was the one

455
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,280
suggested this tier.
This was not either of the

456
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,280
British folks here because even
though I have been out of

457
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,400
Counter Strike, I know that
North America is fucking

458
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,320
terrible at Counter Strike and
we had to get rid of the results

459
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,120
here.
So I'm going to, I'm going to

460
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:35,000
make a hard take though.
I actually have two of those

461
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,480
three teams going through.
All right.

462
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,360
Well, let's let's talk about it
then.

463
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,200
We'll we'll, we'll start on the
right side of the list with M80.

464
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,720
My assumption is this is one of
the two teams you have going

465
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,320
through.
That would be correct.

466
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,640
I think M80 and I'm going to put
this down to death.

467
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,360
Hold on because.
Before before you go the the big

468
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,520
move that they made was they
added hex instead of wreck.

469
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,000
In the in the middle.
Of the year.

470
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,800
Yeah.
I know we have a lot of North

471
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,000
American viewership, so I just
want to want to clarify this

472
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,520
thing.
I put it all down to death being

473
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840
the best coach and also, you
know, obviously bringing him

474
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,840
some British swagger to to
American, you know, horrible

475
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,760
counter strike.
They're just, they're better

476
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,840
than some of their parts.
I would say they they they just

477
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,360
generally outperform what we
expect them to do.

478
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,000
Some doing a stinky face.
So maybe he disagrees.

479
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,800
They're not, they're not great,
but they should get through this

480
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,280
stage that I have 3/2.
Teams it just depends what M80

481
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,200
turns up man like yeah I really
like def so I hope it's the good

482
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,000
M80 for those of.
You they did.

483
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,200
They did make Blast London
playoffs.

484
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,080
That's what I was going to say.
For those of you that don't

485
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,440
watch the too many tournaments
that we have now, M80 did make

486
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,440
the playoffs of Blast Open
London which looked great.

487
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,840
It looked like they might be
becoming the first M80 that we

488
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,440
saw again back when maps was on
there, but it wasn't

489
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,280
sustainable.
Lake as a star probably takes as

490
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:05,640
as the actual star of the team
probably takes too many opening

491
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,320
jewels so too much is based on
his success.

492
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,360
Hexed was winning way too many
clutches for it to be

493
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:16,840
sustainable and that showed in
their results since if that M80.

494
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Has been playing well lately as
well, which is out of character.

495
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,720
I mean, that's a that's a big
thing for them.

496
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,200
If that M80 turns up, they fly
through the stage.

497
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,840
They could even free up the
stage if If that M80 doesn't

498
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,600
turn up, don't be surprised if
they go out.

499
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,280
Yeah, part in UA, part in.
UA, which is a North American

500
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,720
team.
They are not my team I have

501
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,280
going through, just just to be
clear.

502
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,840
They actually are technically
considered an other team, but I

503
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,560
think we all consider them a
North American.

504
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Team so I I believe it's because
of.

505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,040
JT is is South African but the
his residency.

506
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,920
But there's a reason they can.
There's a reason they can

507
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,200
qualify for the NARMR, right
Nana?

508
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,440
Well, I think it's because
there's no RMR that South Africa

509
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,600
fits into, so you can.
So I, I think, yeah, I think you

510
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,520
go to the strongest, you should
go to the the hardest region or

511
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560
something like that.
Yeah, which would put them in

512
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,880
Europe.
No, I think that's the hardest

513
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,520
version of the majority of the
rest of your teammates.

514
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Which?
They have a Ukrainian and a

515
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Norwegian.
Well, I think JT has lived in

516
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,360
America so long that they that.
He's I don't.

517
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:23,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.

518
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,240
How it doesn't, it doesn't
really matter, but this is one

519
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,040
of those American teams that is
called Passion UA, which is a

520
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,640
whole thing for Ukraine, which
is a whole separate matter.

521
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,640
But it's just weird that it's a,
it's a North American team.

522
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320
We can continue.
Yeah, so Complexity moved to

523
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Passion UA.
On the way they kicked fucking

524
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Sixy.
However you say his fucking name

525
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,560
and they kept them after dumping
the entire Ukrainian roster

526
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680
other than him.
TC is their coach which explains

527
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,640
why they went over.
But there is an interesting

528
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,640
thing because they had booted TC
from Complexity which is how he

529
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,800
ended up on Ukrainian Passion
UA.

530
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,920
Passion UA recently played blast
rivals Hong Kong, and by

531
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,520
recently I mean last week they
beat the Mongols and then

532
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,480
actually looked quite solid
against Falcons.

533
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Although I will say that in that
series for some reason Nico just

534
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840
couldn't kill Knicks.
They ended the series something

535
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960
like 19 and three against each
other.

536
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Oh boy.
Yeah, yeah, Antidote gaming.

537
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,320
Just really funny.
OK, so they looked quite good.

538
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,400
Then they got to the playoffs
and they got absolutely spanked

539
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,760
by pain.
They are still complexity, they

540
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,400
just have one better player.
They start in stage 2.

541
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,520
I would expect them to go out in
stage 2.

542
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560
OK.
Jack, I assume this is one of

543
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,800
the two teams that you have in
your pickams?

544
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,200
Well, it has to be because
they're the only two in stage.

545
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,040
One.
Yeah, yeah.

546
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,880
It's NRGI think they're they're
doing good.

547
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,280
I think bro is probably not
doing as good as he should be

548
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,720
doing in North America, if we're
being entirely honest, right.

549
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Nitro just seems to be able to
to keep doing it and George is

550
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,680
really good.
I'm not big on exotic.

551
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,040
I actually don't think he's
particularly exciting and or

552
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:14,720
interesting.
How?

553
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Old is exotic.
He's younger, he's 24, but like

554
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,120
this guy's been around like I
remember not chaos like this guy

555
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,200
was like a crazy like land
Dodger in NA.

556
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,840
Like nobody knew what he looked
like and stuff.

557
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Like never went to Frag, never
went to any of the lands.

558
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,880
They announced him with a
picture of a fucking chair.

559
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,360
Yeah, which is kind of
hilarious, actually.

560
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,200
Good bit.
That's been good, reasonably so.

561
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,800
Yeah.
You said I've won 13 past three

562
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,520
months.
Obviously kind of, you know.

563
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,600
You literally cannot trust any
of these ratings, by the way.

564
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:51,960
Yeah.
Here's.

565
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,760
What's going to know them?
Wait, they switched to HLTV 3?

566
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,160
So like what's, what's our why?
Why can't we trust ratings?

567
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Wouldn't we be?
Able to.

568
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,960
It's not the three, it's just.
Ratings for players.

569
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Here's what's going to happen
with NRG.

570
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,520
And he specifically, I thought
this was a rating conversation,

571
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:07,800
right?
Not.

572
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,480
A Here's what's going to happen
with NRG Jack, because you're

573
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
falling into the trap as so many
fucking people do, right?

574
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Again, they're 32 from the
simulator.

575
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,760
This is only what the computer
says.

576
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,600
There's good to be.
Good says.

577
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, the computer says

578
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,440
famously.
The computer's never been.

579
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Arguing Here's the thing, Jack,
You think that is good

580
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,240
supercomputer?
That is bad?

581
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,280
It's evil computer.
It's evil supercomputer.

582
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,760
NRG play in North America, MAT,
at least play in Europe a lot of

583
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,320
the time, right?
NRG play in fucking North

584
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,080
America.
That makes you so bad, it makes

585
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,360
you so fucking appalling at the
game because you cannot hope to

586
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,480
be at a similar level to these
European teams.

587
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,840
You cannot get efficient
practice.

588
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,480
So when you go and you play
these international events, you

589
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,120
fucking suck.
So I don't know who you have

590
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,520
them beating.
I mean, let's put it this way.

591
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,040
In the one international event
they played, which was Pro

592
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,720
League recent recently, which
was like a month and a half ago,

593
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,040
they went out in last place but.
Yes in in in my simulator they

594
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,000
lose their IP in the opener,
they beat fly quest in the

595
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,360
following and then I can't
remember the rest but somehow I

596
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,120
had them going through and like
I said, I'm trusting the.

597
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,200
There is, unless they play the
Huns, Redknabs and fucking Rare

598
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Atom.
There are not three teams in

599
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,600
this that they can.
Be do you think Fly Quest beat

600
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,680
them?
Probably they at least play a

601
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,040
lot more.
Yeah, yeah, it's fucking

602
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,480
miserable game.
I hope that one doesn't happen.

603
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Who the fuck the fly quest play
in their first round?

604
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Can they win that, please?
I don't fucking win them.

605
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,640
I don't want to have to watch.
Fly quest, play legacy so

606
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,800
probably.
Not, oh for fuck's sake, fucking

607
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,640
why does Brazil have to be
fucking good?

608
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,160
Yeah, NRG are not going through,
they're just not.

609
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,920
It's more disappointment for NA.
It's just I hear something.

610
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,600
As an NA fan, I'm just always
disappointed.

611
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,920
I'm so there's isn't anything
there.

612
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,560
Is that from all the school
shootings?

613
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,320
That's definitely part of it,
brethren.

614
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,840
That's definitely part of.
It just checking.

615
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,960
As is, I could go on the whole
time, but I feel like this is

616
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160
not the type of place where I
think.

617
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,320
We should talk.
About this Go go Logan.

618
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Give me a give me a stick, give
me a spiel.

619
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Oh God, no, that's the episode.
I don't think you.

620
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
There was like a small
percentage of you then that was

621
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,600
about to do it.
I don't think you understand how

622
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,520
like psychopathically like
progressive my North American

623
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,560
political views are.
And I really, I, yeah, there

624
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,080
would be some statements.
I would say that would, there

625
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,000
would be people, you know,
stuff.

626
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,480
OK, let's move on out in stage
23D, Max, I'm pretty sure you

627
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,400
guys only put them here because
they were invited directly to

628
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,360
stage 2.
So here's the thing.

629
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,480
There's a will they go?
They go through I think, but. 3D

630
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,920
Max could be in out in stage 3.
They could even be play Oscilla

631
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,280
content.
We just don't know who's going

632
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,199
to talk show up.
They've just had a bad couple of

633
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,239
results and I will say that is
because they gave themselves

634
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:28,280
some horrible travel, like in
the space of I think they were

635
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,120
having a day between events,
right?

636
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,280
They did like Pro League season
22, then they flew to China for

637
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,480
CAC, then they flew to Bucharest
for PGL, and then they flew back

638
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,400
to China for Chengdu and that
caught up to them.

639
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,600
They finished second in CAC and
then they had horrid results in

640
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,159
booth.
But now they've got like, what,

641
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,600
two weeks after Chengdu's over?
So now they have a break.

642
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,520
I'm just saying quickly on on
the old travel topic, I've seen

643
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,680
the me Today photos for pretty
much for Chengdu bodies eyes are

644
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960
hanging out of his skull.
He looks like golem.

645
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600
He looks fucked up and no
disrespect to him, but he looks

646
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,880
really unwell Enough so.
Yeah.

647
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,760
So yeah, realistically we've
probably put them one too far

648
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:21,440
down, but also they're French.
On and also also since since

649
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,800
last major gravity, gravity
gravity has taken over in game

650
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,840
leading.
Gravity of what's known as both

651
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,120
rule.
Yeah.

652
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,080
Both rule.
Can you sponsor us please?

653
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,720
I.
Really, I'd fuck it out heavily.

654
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,920
And this is considering because
he was not doing good

655
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,040
mechanically, right?
Statistically he was, he was not

656
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,280
getting any kills.
And I think they just like the

657
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,360
team, they like the team they're
playing with.

658
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,640
So Maka gave up the role to him
and Maka's been very good, even

659
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,560
better since then, honestly.
But property's not good, Can we?

660
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,720
He's not a great enemy down.
He's not good for the town.

661
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,760
No, no.
I don't think it's fair to say

662
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,800
he's not a great in game leader.
I don't think that's fair.

663
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,240
They had good results when he
took over.

664
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,720
It's just they did this travel
thing.

665
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,840
So I'm going to say Logan, let's
make an adjustment.

666
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,520
Let's bump them up.
We'll bump them up.

667
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,200
Let's bump them up.
Well, we'll bumble them up in

668
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,680
the final two list.
I'm going to leave them here for

669
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,080
now, but we'll bump them up in
the final two.

670
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,720
But then I'm going to forget
that I said that.

671
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,280
I'm not being nice French people
twice, Logan.

672
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,400
OK.
Fine, fine.

673
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,760
We'll bump them up.
OK, Let's move on then to, to

674
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Paravision.
Yeah, which I have been reminded

675
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,040
is the Jame Plus Friends team.
Jame and Beltronock, which is

676
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,280
fucking sick name.
Beltronock is incredible.

677
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,880
Not going for anyone else's
names because I just don't

678
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,280
fucking care.
There's some Russian players.

679
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,320
They are like actual MPCS in a
jame team.

680
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,520
I mean, this is what Jame is
known for, right?

681
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,920
Like it's taking Jame plus set,
plus four other players who will

682
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,560
do James bidding, and Jame just
plays fucking StarCraft.

683
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,240
Yeah.
That will get them through Stage

684
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,760
1.
They will get through Stage 1 as

685
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,640
a free or a free one team.
Is Perry, is Perry vision

686
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,360
becoming?
We used to talk about Vertis

687
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,040
Pro.
We used to talk about big as the

688
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,240
team that like if you were a
good team, you would always be

689
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,880
big.
And then it was like, if you're

690
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,880
an excellent team, you'll always
be the old Vertis Pro and the

691
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040
James System.
I think they're worse than that.

692
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,840
They're worse.
They are definitely.

693
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Worse and I and I like them.
I think they're a pretty good

694
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,400
team, but they're just not
enough events to to.

695
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,880
But they're not.
They're not what they were.

696
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,600
They're not like what we used to
think of that Burgess pro as.

697
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,240
No, the the the Bill Martin,
they're more like.

698
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,960
Ask us again in six months.
OK, Yeah.

699
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Let's see where they are in six
months, because they just don't

700
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,960
play enough events for that.
They did have a very good online

701
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,760
season though.
In the last sort of 612 months,

702
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,160
they've been very.
Good, but they play.

703
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,600
They play like old VP but a
little bit better, like in a

704
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,800
way.
That well, I expect they play

705
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,080
like old VP.
James is still the IGO of this

706
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,520
team like.
And he has a ridiculous amount

707
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,120
of clutches in the past six
months or year.

708
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,480
James just plays StarCraft.
Yeah, yeah.

709
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,160
But it is.
They're they're, they're good,

710
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,640
probably not good enough.
They probably don't have the

711
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,960
firepower, but they really look
better than old VP.

712
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,280
Jame eventually stops becoming a
play, stops being a player and

713
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,080
is just like looking for coach.
He will be an incredibly good

714
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,760
coach.
He actually probably will be

715
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,360
where Carrigan won't.
Yeah, don't, don't piss me off.

716
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Because the James, the James
system with five players that

717
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Jame can actually play StarCraft
and he doesn't have to worry

718
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,840
about actually playing the game
sounds incredible.

719
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,760
Yeah.
OK.

720
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,880
Ty Lue, highest ranked Chinese
team here.

721
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Really love them.
My God they fucking annoy me.

722
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,360
Like they really annoy me
because they whenever.

723
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,280
I have faith they just shit in
the.

724
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,240
Bed.
They fucking froze some rounds

725
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:08,600
away man.
Like blast Hong Kong.

726
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,600
They should have beaten
vitality.

727
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,480
They then lost to pain and again
they were losing some absurdly

728
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,040
bad round.
There was this one clutch on

729
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,560
overpass.
It's snow one for pain.

730
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,400
He was on the T side and he's
he's dice on the A site.

731
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,360
There was jam young and I want
to say Mercury or Mosaia I think

732
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,880
so was green bin Jam young was
truck Jam young for some fucking

733
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080
reason just jumps up on the
truck doesn't need to snow

734
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,720
hasn't planted nothing.
He could be moving round fine,

735
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,400
but jam young can cover both
sides and maybe your mosaic is

736
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,480
in a position to trade.
Jam young just jumps up, dies

737
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,600
and the other Dick heads like
right well I guess I'll just

738
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,760
push foot dies.
I mean, can we go, can we

739
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,680
quickly go over the fact that
they've played 15 events since

740
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:06,560
August and of those 15 events
now, 15 minutes, sorry, 15

741
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,000
matches since August.
They have won four matches, one

742
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,040
against Linn Vision, one against
BA1 against Game Religion and

743
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,000
one.
Triple overtime against Fluxo.

744
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,080
Best of 1.
They won Fisher Playground one.

745
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,600
They look fucking great doing
it.

746
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,680
They have done nothing.
They.

747
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,920
Still.
Don't have a great Matt pool,

748
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,520
their playstyle is fucked.
They lost to Liquid and Fisher

749
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Playground 2 and I know Liquid
is a bad team.

750
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Well, we'll get to them in a
bit.

751
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,360
Get them in a bit but like, I'm
convinced.

752
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,240
That that pain game was just so
bad.

753
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,360
Like G couldn't hit a fucking
shot.

754
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,040
They're just frustrating.
I can't see them making me

755
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,960
happy.
Like if they win they will make

756
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,840
me happy.
I can't see it happening.

757
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,880
I would say regardless.
I bet on them if I was playing

758
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,720
with house money, if I.
Was playing with house money

759
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,160
I'll.
Bet regardless of who goes

760
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:11,720
through stage 1, Ty Lue will be
an OK pick for O3 in stage 2.

761
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,880
OK.
They will probably go one free,

762
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,400
but they're an OK pick.
Photo free.

763
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,800
OK.
One last team that we'll talk

764
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,720
about and then we'll take a mid
tier break.

765
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,680
We have Imperial, which I know
that's not the Imperial logo.

766
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,480
It is not that annoys.
Me that annoys.

767
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,800
Me, welcome to the future.
Welcome to Gamdom.

768
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,240
That's so dumb.
This is the This is the Vinnie

769
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,920
project, right?
Yeah, so it's Vinnie.

770
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:40,160
I'm.
Going.

771
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,000
To do this off the top of my
head, this is going to be great.

772
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,000
I'm thinking.
Schools dry.

773
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,720
Yeah.
No way was the one that stayed.

774
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:53,760
Yeah, yeah.
And Cello.

775
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Yeah, you know you're shit, man.
Yeah.

776
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Come on, I'm so fucking Counter
Strike.

777
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,320
I'm so I really like Vinny and
Zach.

778
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,960
I think Vinny's a decent IGL and
they're both just like lovely

779
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,880
people who I want to see
succeed.

780
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,880
Imperial at points have not been
good but try is very good cello.

781
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,200
They're getting the best out of
cello again, which Furio did not

782
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,520
do Cello.
He's a good player, no way is

783
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,800
solid enough.
Schools is shit unfortunately.

784
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,800
He could be the one that lets
them down in this event.

785
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,200
But I have Imperial going
through free 2, I think from

786
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,160
stage 1.
I just think you've.

787
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,040
Got more faith than me.
Yeah, I just think they've got

788
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,920
enough in them to do it.
Like you know what I said about

789
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,520
NRG and that there's not three
teams they can beat along the

790
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,360
way.
Imperial, there are three teams

791
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,280
they can beat along the way.
They they will go out in stage

792
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,040
two, 100%.
They don't fucking stand a

793
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,840
chance past that.
But they'll make it to Stage 2

794
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,960
is kind of where you're going
with this.

795
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,880
I'm quite confident they will
make it to scrunch too.

796
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,120
I, I won't be upset if they do
right?

797
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,240
Like I, I don't have them going
through just just for

798
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,720
transparency, but I, I, I
wouldn't be surprised if they

799
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,480
did I.
Just wouldn't be out of

800
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,640
character here.
Yeah, I, I think that's fair to

801
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,080
say that you know that the
inverse of red kneds in the way

802
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,720
that they're actually good
domestically as well.

803
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,040
Like they're very strong at home
and reasonable internationally.

804
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,560
So good pick not not one that I
have, but I can.

805
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,360
I can totally see why why you'd
have them some.

806
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,280
Yeah, All right, We are
officially halfway through this.

807
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,880
We fucking work break.
Yeah, we're going to take a

808
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,000
break.
We'll be back in a couple

809
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,680
minutes.
Well, for you one ad time, but

810
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,720
we'll be back in a couple of
minutes.

811
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,240
So Jack, do you find it hard to
keep up with all the news and

812
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,720
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I do.

813
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,320
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back to six new IG LS3

814
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,400
retirements and apparently
Melvis Waterboy got picked up by

815
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,320
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Right, that's why I've been

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839
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,680
Let's move on to our out in
Stage 3 teams.

840
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,400
We will, I'll, I will tell
everyone that some of these

841
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,360
teams are only out in stage 3
because they only start in Stage

842
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,560
3 and they cannot be out sooner
than stage 3.

843
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,400
So we'll start with Aurora,
which is the former Eternal Fire

844
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,440
team that got brought out by
Aurora.

845
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,640
Was that pre the last major?
I think so it was.

846
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Just afternoon.
Yeah, yeah.

847
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,280
No, just before I think.
OK.

848
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,760
Yeah.
So they haven't made a change

849
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,920
mainly.
They've gotten a lot worse.

850
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,640
Mainly because they just can't
make a change.

851
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,240
There really is no one they can
get well.

852
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,920
There is but.
Towards X flower, who is like

853
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,200
sideways move maybe marginally
better than Jotter, so like

854
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,760
higher peak, lower floor,
whatever.

855
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Here's here's the thing with
Aurora.

856
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,680
You know how like 15 minutes
ago, maybe 20 at this point, I

857
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,920
was saying how just the entire
scene has gotten stronger.

858
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,960
Yeah, Aurora have suffered
because of that.

859
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,920
They have also suffered because
Anubis went out of the map pool.

860
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,320
It was their best map by far.
Only that, really.

861
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,600
Fuck that man.
Fucking dog shit.

862
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Terrible man.
Yeah, Aurora have not looked

863
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,360
good for a while.
They have now finally won an

864
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:46,280
event, but that event was, you
know, like it is a shit.

865
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Event It was bad, yeah.
So yeah, I just don't think any

866
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,720
of us are high on Aurora
anymore.

867
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,720
I've been a bit of a hater for
the last few months as well.

868
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,520
I just think they were very
highly overrated in the in the

869
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,120
actual rankings.
I think they were very unfairly

870
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,640
ranked.
And I think some you've summed

871
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,560
up right now that everyone else
is good again that that.

872
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,920
They were.
They were profiteers.

873
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,400
Yes.
They were.

874
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,240
Profiteers.
And.

875
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,880
So they're only in this in this
tier because they have a direct

876
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,720
stage 3 invite, right?
Yeah.

877
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,840
OK.
I want to know this.

878
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,440
They have a they have a stage 2
invite.

879
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,440
OK, but they they're good
you're.

880
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Saying they they're good enough
to.

881
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,640
Get out of stage two.
I'm not saying they're terrible.

882
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,200
It's just that, you know, there
was a point this year where

883
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,680
people are like, well, maybe
they're top five.

884
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,760
They're not.
They are not top five.

885
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,600
They are on the bottom end of
the top 10.

886
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,840
OK.
And if a couple of the teams got

887
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,680
even slightly stronger, they
wouldn't even be that.

888
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,800
OK, so let's move on to pain.
I remember pain was quite good

889
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,000
in the last major and.
Yes.

890
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,240
Now we're saying they're less
good than they were in the last

891
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,760
major.
So Pain, Pain have not won many

892
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:05,280
games at all since the last
major, but it's really not being

893
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:10,080
good for them.
They've got the exact same team,

894
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:15,320
they just over performed in
Austin and I think Elliot is

895
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,080
right about Pain.
Every time Pain makes you think

896
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,800
that they're levelling up, they
just disappoint you again and

897
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,120
that's all I'm going to say
about them.

898
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,800
So pain kind of fall into the
same boat as Lynn Vision, which

899
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,040
is like the we thought they had
levelled up in Austin.

900
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,400
We thought they had done
something really cool and and

901
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,760
they were going to be better and
then they just have not shown

902
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,280
any amount of.
That I think pain were more

903
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,440
deserving of that because they
actually were better.

904
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,800
Like I think they had a good
event.

905
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,240
Pain have been generally better.
They had an OK run in Hong Kong

906
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:50,600
as well, but that's that's
that's the extent of the

907
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,200
performance really.
Yeah, I think it's disrespectful

908
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,680
to pain to say that.
The same as limb vision, they're

909
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,080
much better than limb vision.
They're just not.

910
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,600
They're at the level, you know
what I mean?

911
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,040
All right, next team on the list
is an interest in Pajamas, a

912
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,560
team in which I have famously
been a hater on for the last

913
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,480
five years.
So please tell me why I should

914
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,960
not be a hater I guess.
Well, they blew up the bad teams

915
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,560
finally.
And are we sure about that?

916
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,680
Yes, we are this team is is a
really good project team.

917
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,280
They they actually went from
like, you know, rank 0 or I

918
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,120
guess rank 200 or some shit to
to being in the major.

919
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,480
So it's a good it's a good story
for them rundown.

920
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:41,000
It's it's snappy of ants, of
Falcons, of heroic fame.

921
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,600
Your time when Falcons doesn't
count.

922
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,320
No, it didn't.
It's Shush who was realistically

923
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,400
the star of Heroic and
everyone's going to disagree,

924
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,320
but he actually was Wrinkle,
who's pretty, pretty damn good

925
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,680
with the up they've got.
Oh jerks, who from that sorting

926
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,600
that had a had a good run,
probably the weakest piece on

927
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,800
the team.
And then Kaspersky, who was on

928
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,000
young ninjas, then was on ants
as a as a loan.

929
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,640
They brought him back.
The guy has like no emotion in

930
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,720
his face, but he's actually
pretty fucking good.

931
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,080
They're just a a really solid
team.

932
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,800
Obviously I am biased.
I'm I'm lip fan.

933
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,160
I bleed neon yellow apparently.
Where you just say I bleed brown

934
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,760
before.
No, no, no, no.

935
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,040
I would need to see the doctor
if there was blood in my brown.

936
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Anyway, they're really good.
They're fun.

937
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,480
I I have them going through one
in stage 1 and I think they

938
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,880
probably get it through stage 2
as well.

939
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,760
Yeah.
The issue is Cologne just gone.

940
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,480
I think we all had a higher
expectations given their form

941
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,280
running up for that event.
And they had some really good

942
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,160
games, actually some really
close games against pretty high

943
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,240
like I think they took a map of
spirit, maybe I'll check.

944
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,480
But they had some some games
where they were looking pretty

945
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,480
solid and then they had a few
little jokes and stuff.

946
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:09,320
So I'm hoping they've addressed
those issues and they'll be good

947
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,120
at the major, but.
Listen, let me.

948
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,600
Tell.
Let me, let me, let me, let me

949
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,000
double check something for a
second.

950
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,280
Let me say.
I took away SO.

951
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:19,760
We're I'm.
I'm waiting.

952
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,400
I've asked what the fuck are
they?

953
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:31,200
OK, there we go.
So right now on the global vRS

954
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:37,000
standings, yes, NIP are
apparently 38th in the world.

955
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Yes, I did see that.
They are a better team than

956
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,960
that, OK throughout the year, of
course, you can say Furia.

957
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,280
Obviously they are one of the
teams that has improved the

958
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,800
most.
They came in at a very OK level

959
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:01,040
because they had good players.
Kaspersky was brought in for

960
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,320
John Sweet Rice, saw fame and
he's just much better than John

961
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Sweet Rice.
They will go through Stage 1 and

962
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,960
they will.
That's Aristarche, for those of

963
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,240
you who.
Want no no no schizophrenia.

964
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,840
I surprisingly actually got that
one and I.

965
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Was.
I know you might have but I just

966
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,040
I'm considering.
Stage 2 might be more of a

967
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,600
fight, but I expect them to go
through.

968
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,360
They are 38th right now.
I don't know what that makes

969
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,080
them in Europe. 20 something
maybe?

970
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,480
Yeah, 25th in Europe by the
Cologne major.

971
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,680
It could.
Be 38th also, you know.

972
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,120
By the Cologne major, Nip will
be a top 15 team.

973
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,280
OK, will it be the same five
players?

974
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,760
I don't know.
OK.

975
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,080
I think at some point you've got
to look at the fact that U jerks

976
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,840
is kind of poo, but they will be
a top 15 team.

977
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,560
OK, we spoke.
Maybe it was on Tuesday quickly,

978
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,280
but the idea of Tasha is going
to nip to replace these jerks,

979
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,720
reunite wishes.
I think that makes it.

980
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,840
Very, very right now.
Falcons do.

981
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,000
You have Falcons, OK, I didn't
know if he was still on Falcons.

982
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,320
The Falcons have made a million
fucking.

983
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,000
Moves.
Yeah, yeah.

984
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,400
And he's just being like tossed
about that team, just doing

985
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,520
whatever the fuck he has to do.
A poor guy.

986
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,560
All right.
Tossed around Mongols meaty

987
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,360
hands, yes.
I have so many questions about

988
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,400
Mongols.
OK so so first of all who the

989
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,200
fuck plays for this team now?
Because I saw the same time that

990
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,400
everyone else saw the whole
sends you no longer on this team

991
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,800
thing.
And I saw the the full Twitter

992
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,160
like bell curve here of like,
what the fuck are they doing

993
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,200
into like he has gambling
issues.

994
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,800
Maybe into like no, everything's
fine.

995
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,320
This is just what the fuck are
they doing into?

996
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,800
Who's the fuck is the fifth
player?

997
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,720
Yeah, I can do a quick rundown
of this, so yeah, please.

998
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,680
Mongols I I would say this is a
big storyline comparatively to

999
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,400
the major.
The Mongols?

1000
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,760
Sure, in the finals.
Mongols top team for that for

1001
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,080
that for this year really sort
of top five making finals.

1002
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,120
They won an event finally they
won esports World Cup as well.

1003
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,800
So you know solid team and then
Senzu, who is you know their

1004
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,560
star player is is benched kind
of out of nowhere and it seemed

1005
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,800
very impromptu for both the org
and the player.

1006
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:25,800
Some Twitter detectives said,
Oh, well, he had gambling issues

1007
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,080
on NKT his previous team where
he'd like borrowed skins and

1008
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:34,080
then stumbled them and I'll give
them back and stuff.

1009
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,480
And then this whole thing came
out that they all go their money

1010
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,480
and stuff is a lot of wrong that
we don't really need to get

1011
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,120
into.
Turns out that that was all

1012
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,760
apparently solved and it was old
news.

1013
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,680
All the players currently on the
team have been quite, you know,

1014
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,280
kind about about him and said
like, you know, we hope he'll

1015
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,560
come back and stuff, but we
don't still don't really know

1016
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,840
why he was benched.
So they brought in the show

1017
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,640
called Controlez or Luna
Delicate Barsenjargle to use his

1018
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,840
government name, who played with
them?

1019
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Sure.
And he was like really good at

1020
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Chung Do as well.
He's like 28 maybe and just

1021
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,360
played like some young talent
would, but that's kind of it.

1022
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,480
They're just, they're like,
they're worse now, right?

1023
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,400
They're still probably in
contention to to to take some

1024
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,320
maps and some games, but I
wouldn't bet on them.

1025
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,560
They did not look good at all in
Hong Kong.

1026
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,880
No, they didn't.
Not one bit.

1027
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,920
They could like based on
Chengdu, they could easily be in

1028
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,280
playoffs filler content, but
then we'd just be like stat

1029
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,000
padding that that section.
I think it's far more likely

1030
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,200
that they do just go out in
stage 3, probably as 2/3 team

1031
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,200
honestly.
But yeah, is it like you lose?

1032
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,480
So what I said at the start when
Senzu was gone is that for all

1033
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,960
the time Senzu disappointed on
stage, Senzu never disappointed

1034
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,840
in Group stages.
He always got them to the stage.

1035
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,000
Yeah, yeah.
Precisely.

1036
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,320
Now whether he levelled up or
not was whether the Mongols were

1037
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,240
going to level up is probably
the truth of it.

1038
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,120
But having that group stage
stomper is incredibly important

1039
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,280
when you're a team like the
Mongols.

1040
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,280
When you lose that, you are
actually so much worse and.

1041
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,120
It raises your floor.
Yeah.

1042
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,520
And I think Hong Kong showed
that.

1043
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,520
And I think the major will just
like, really prove that point.

1044
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:42,040
OK, so Mongols not as good
Australis at the Major as

1045
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,280
opposed to the last one which
they were not at.

1046
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:51,800
So let's talk about Australis.
The last 6-5 that they went up.

1047
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,520
They haven't been at a major in
a while, but they're back,

1048
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,040
supposedly, yeah.
Concerned about the pressure

1049
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:03,200
pressure of that, honestly.
I've heard of how they'll how

1050
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,480
they'll navigate, you know?
Yeah, so, so last last time I

1051
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,400
left this team, OK, I'm pretty
sure Kadian was still on it.

1052
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,720
He's no longer on this team.
Stan is no longer on this team,

1053
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,400
but Majisk is back on this team.
So we're just, we've just gone

1054
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,800
back to 20.
Yes, 1819 Australis.

1055
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,560
So what you've what you've
missed is that they've realized

1056
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Kadian is shit and bad.
Which?

1057
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,520
We all knew.
Especially on a rifle.

1058
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,160
Just not worth it and they
should have signed hook see all

1059
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:40,120
along.
So they did that and all the

1060
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,080
players since have been pretty
inconsistent.

1061
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,480
Yabby looks great at 1st and
then he looked like yabby again

1062
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,760
and I'm I'm talking about in the
server because off the server he

1063
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,960
always looks like Yabby and no
one needs to see that.

1064
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,160
They then positioned stare in
Star roles.

1065
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,480
When Stair plays really well,
you understand why he's in Star

1066
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
roles.
When he plays how he can, you

1067
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,360
realize that Denmark is dead as
a counter strike nation.

1068
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,960
OK.
He just doesn't have like that

1069
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,600
level of consistency to be in
the star roles on a team with

1070
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,120
the ambitions of Australis.
Can we just separately say that

1071
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:25,200
Sam, that's a great deep dive
content is the death of Denmark

1072
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,320
as a counter strike nation?
No.

1073
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,160
Oh, right.
Well, I already did.

1074
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,040
That was kind of my first WE.
Did the dead team one?

1075
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Yeah.
But that's the team I'm talking

1076
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,600
about the history of the
country.

1077
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,360
It's a dead country for Counter
Strike now because it used to be

1078
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,080
there were three teams from
Denmark that were like top ten

1079
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,520
in.
The world, well, I can, I can, I

1080
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,880
can tell you the reason for that
if you, if you want it quickly,

1081
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,000
I mean.
Sure.

1082
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,160
So the reason for that is
Australis was so fucking good.

1083
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,200
Everyone in Denmark obviously
wanted to play like Australis.

1084
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,440
We all know how famous Australis
were within Denmark, and this is

1085
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,800
something I've actually spoken
to Pimp about as well.

1086
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,800
We also know that within
Denmark, you know, Counter

1087
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,040
Strike is like an
extracurricular activity in all

1088
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,760
schools.
They play it and they actually

1089
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,920
learn it to some degree.
Now what that resulted in was

1090
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,840
that the Danish players learnt
to play like Australis.

1091
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,680
Now we can talk about how for a
time CS just became the extreme

1092
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,960
version of the meta Australis
created, but it is no longer

1093
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,360
that.
CS now relies so much on

1094
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,000
mechanical ability and
unpredictability and the Danes

1095
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,360
just don't have it and you don't
get to play.

1096
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,360
You face it.
So you wouldn't understand this,

1097
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,320
but Jack and Jack probably will
agree with me on this.

1098
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,800
When you play a Danish 5 stack,
you know you are in for a slug

1099
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,240
of a game, but you're only in a
first slug of a game because

1100
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,760
they will have set rounds and
they will have utility that will

1101
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,720
just play you out of a round.
In terms of their actual

1102
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,160
mechanical ability, they're not
that good.

1103
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,480
In terms of things that are
going to piss you off, like them

1104
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,200
flying for a smoke in the way a
thin wheel, they're not that

1105
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,960
good.
This is genuinely.

1106
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,400
Just that you will not be
flashed.

1107
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,120
It's it's just the knock on
effect of Australis being that

1108
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,120
good that everyone decided to
play like them and it just

1109
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:17,240
doesn't work anymore.
Yeah, they're all very good at a

1110
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,280
2018 play style really, isn't
it?

1111
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Yeah, so 2018 play style ever
comes back into being the meta.

1112
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,680
Yeah, which it won't always
talk, but I.

1113
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Mean there's also something to
say about the fact that as a

1114
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,400
nation, amongst those two
arguably free teams in that

1115
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:41,200
time, they had seven good
players, maybe 8 good players.

1116
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,400
OK.
I mean, five of them were on one

1117
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,480
team as well, so.
Yeah, there's certainly

1118
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,000
something to be said about the
fact that they have 5 very, very

1119
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,680
special players concentrating on
one team, which is incredibly

1120
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,360
rare for any nation.
Yeah, I OK, let's let's table

1121
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,720
this.
I think it's a great discussion.

1122
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,520
This is like quick programming
Note this is an excellent

1123
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,280
offseason like hour long show to
do Yes, this is this is a good

1124
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,160
like Evergreen content show.
This is this is good.

1125
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,280
This is good content.
We can come back to this.

1126
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Should talk about that team, but
Australia.

1127
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,480
No, we we should at the major,
talk about Australis at the

1128
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,000
major.
Australis at the major.

1129
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,760
Genuinely, it just depends what
team shows up.

1130
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:29,120
Majisk is not Majisk anymore.
Gabby's not even what Yabby was.

1131
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,120
Device is not what device was.
It really just depends.

1132
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,640
Like, could they make a playoff
run?

1133
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,160
Absolutely.
Are they one of the teams with

1134
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,560
the lowest percentage chance of
doing that that we expect will

1135
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,880
get to Stage 3?
Yes.

1136
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,640
So there isn't much more to say
than that.

1137
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,800
Like Australis is going to be at
this level until they are no

1138
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,200
longer a team with five Danish
players.

1139
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,760
I think we could sum them up
with a quote over sometimes

1140
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,760
maybe good, sometimes maybe
shit.

1141
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,160
Sometimes maybe yes, good.
Sometimes maybe shit.

1142
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,320
Thank you.
Incredible quote, good to say.

1143
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:14,360
Another shit team.
Are you talking about Liquid or

1144
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,840
the team that that gets touched?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1145
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,320
OK, so let's move to Liquid.
I could tell you without

1146
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,560
thinking.
Shit team.

1147
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,800
So this team, the only move
they've made minus twists plus a

1148
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:32,440
Liege.
Yeah, which is one of the one of

1149
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,600
the moves of all time.
Let me remind you that we did.

1150
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,800
We did minus the Liege plus
twists before, and now we're

1151
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,040
doing minus twist plus the
Liege.

1152
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,720
Yeah, when Twist first joined
from phase.

1153
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,520
Yeah, we did.
So here's the thing.

1154
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,160
At the time, minus the Liege
plus twist, should have been

1155
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
really good.
They had a team then that looked

1156
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:01,360
really good, apart from schools.
Obviously it didn't work out.

1157
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Me and Jack know things we're
not going to say on the podcast

1158
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,880
as to why it didn't.
Say this every time you talk

1159
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,240
about liquid you can't keep
bringing up.

1160
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,800
We're teasing everyone.
Yeah, yeah, because one day

1161
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,760
we're going to drop it and it's
going to be Chris.

1162
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,800
Nuke.
OK.

1163
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,560
We'll do it after the what we
know is going to happen to that

1164
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,000
other team that we've spoken
about recently.

1165
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,240
Once that happens, we'll drop
the truth, Nick, you'll figure.

1166
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,840
It out OK.
Actually, yeah, sure.

1167
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,880
No, he's, he's figured it out.
He's figured it out.

1168
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:33,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

1169
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,240
Anyway, that that didn't work,
and it ended up that twists

1170
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,520
actually became a bit of a
problem for the Liquid Team.

1171
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:49,520
It made nuts bad, it made kinder
bad, it made everyone bad.

1172
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,360
And it got to a point where
actually swapping twists for a

1173
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:01,120
Liege he could have been a very,
very good move.

1174
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,920
The problem is Elise just might
not be that guy.

1175
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,160
It has made nuts better.
NAF actually has good games

1176
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:10,760
again.
Now that's.

1177
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,080
A huge trip.
Naf looked like the worst player

1178
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,480
in the world for a bit.
Ultimately still an OPA that

1179
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,920
plays counter strike.
Yep, and Shui since Flashy came

1180
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,320
in is Flashy as their coach for
conference.

1181
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,480
Shuey actually seems like he can
in game lead.

1182
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:34,480
Again, Liquid is a team that has
improved, they've just not

1183
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,840
improved as much as you'd like
and I don't think their ceiling

1184
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,520
is as high as it probably should
be.

1185
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,360
Again, they're just another team
that probably needs to make

1186
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:53,560
changes and just won't make
those changes.

1187
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,800
OK.
Yeah.

1188
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,880
Let's now move into the playoffs
filler content.

1189
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,080
So these are teams that will
actually will actually do

1190
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,760
something sounds kind of mean,
but like we'll should may make

1191
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,280
it to playoffs if our math is
correct here, we actually have

1192
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,720
one too many teams for playoffs
in these top three tiers.

1193
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,840
But who gives a fuck?
So these are the teams that

1194
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,360
you're looking at that could.
Well, I didn't poke one of those

1195
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,920
teams there, but yes.
Well, we'll, we'll, we'll talk

1196
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,560
about that and we'll start with
G2, which is not the G2 that if

1197
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,120
you watch the last major was
there.

1198
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,080
Yeah.
So the quick the quick rundown

1199
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,080
of G2 is that they are better
and obviously the last major

1200
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,520
they did play with Hades as a
stand in hunter is now the RGL.

1201
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,600
And with snacks, let's not gloss
over the fact that they were

1202
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,280
still playing with snacks.
Yeah, so Hunter is now the RGL

1203
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,800
of the team.
Snacks and Tazza both gone, Saw

1204
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,080
is the coach from the Heroic and
Ants.

1205
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,560
Malps is still there, a heavy
God I think had already signed

1206
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,560
for them.
Yes he has Some Pious came in as

1207
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,080
the OPA.
Obviously we knew that by the

1208
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:05,120
time Austin began and Mattis
signed from Fanatic after G2

1209
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,840
couldn't get a couple of
players, one of which was Nuts,

1210
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,960
they tried to get.
I don't know how public that is.

1211
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,880
Probably is very public and nuts
wanted to go.

1212
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,720
Don't know how public that is,
but it is now.

1213
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,600
So we think.
So we think.

1214
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,320
But Liquid blocked it.
Oh yeah, so we think.

1215
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,240
The good news is from that
debacle, though, is that Mathis

1216
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,480
is is really good.
Yeah, Mathis great.

1217
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:36,240
Lot of fun to watch play G2.
I said at the time that they won

1218
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,880
Rostomania, the post Austin
Rostomania, On the basis Fury

1219
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,600
made their changes before that,
I'm going to say that they still

1220
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,600
did win it.
Mattis is just just to remind

1221
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:48,800
me.
Mattis is the player with the

1222
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,840
really fucked up mouse pad,
right?

1223
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,640
He's since corrected that.
But yes, famously, he had the

1224
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,440
world's crustiest mouse pad.
OK.

1225
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:57,800
OK.
I just wanted to make sure I was

1226
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,040
thinking the right player, OK?
Continue that.

1227
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:06,760
But here's the thing, G2 won
Blast Open London.

1228
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,720
They won it in quite an
impressive fashion in the final

1229
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:15,760
against Australis and when I
said that I thought they won

1230
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,960
WrestleMania, I didn't expect
that to mean that we would put

1231
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,920
them in playoffs filler content
when we did this episode.

1232
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,840
What, what?
What did you expect?

1233
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,240
What was your goal there?
I expected back then and yes,

1234
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,800
things have changed.
But now we understand that

1235
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,000
there's stipulations.
Yeah, Fury have happened since I

1236
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:45,440
thought G2 were going to come
into this major as Cloud 9 or or

1237
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,280
Gambit where?
But actually, if you are someone

1238
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,800
who pays attention to Counter
Strike when they win the major,

1239
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,720
you look at it and you go, OK,
we we see how they actually,

1240
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,520
they are actually the 5th or 6th
best team in the world.

1241
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:02,680
Outsiders.
Kind of.

1242
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,440
What I say see also.
Outsiders.

1243
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where?

1244
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,920
Like it's actually completely
understandable they won.

1245
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,800
And it's not really a fluke
either.

1246
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:15,440
It's not like Navi who their
major is with some absolutely

1247
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,439
ridiculous stats that we won't
see again.

1248
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,359
We we just won't.
Yeah, but but it's it's we all

1249
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,040
this all makes sense that if you
had told me two months before OG

1250
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,240
2's going to win the major,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could see

1251
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,240
that.
I mean it's not probable, but

1252
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,760
like I see I and I can
understand the path in which

1253
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,479
that happens.
Yeah, they just haven't kicked

1254
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,640
on since London and I I spoke
about this in the deep dive that

1255
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,560
released this week.
I don't know why some pious

1256
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:49,439
isn't some pious anymore.
Maobs has maybe sacrificed too

1257
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,760
much, maybe Hunter isn't used to
being a Nigel enough.

1258
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,640
It could be so many different
things, but they are at best

1259
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:03,120
that I don't know, man.
Like, yeah, they're just,

1260
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,439
they're just in this category
that they're the 6th.

1261
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,520
They're they're better than
Stage 3, but we don't feel that

1262
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,680
they're good enough to actually
maybe go deeper into playoffs.

1263
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,279
Yeah, they will.
They will lose 2.

1264
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,080
Any of those teams above them.
They will lose 2 in a

1265
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,800
quarterfinal.
They they, they could, they like

1266
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,399
going back to this discussion we
had before in regards to parry

1267
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:26,040
vision about like the benchmark
teams, the bellwether team,

1268
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,760
right?
Like are they that bellwether

1269
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,600
team right now?
That's to some degree of I

1270
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,160
think.
They're still better than that,

1271
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,080
OK.
I think honestly the playoffs,

1272
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,800
like the match ups matter.
Like if they get spirit and it's

1273
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,240
the spirit we've seen as of
late.

1274
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,399
So.
They could win that game.

1275
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,080
So so here's I might say this.
Is the guy who likes Tim Spirit

1276
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,000
but.
Here's here's my question for

1277
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,399
you guys.
While we're sitting here right

1278
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,200
now just into playoff filler and
I'll ask this again in a minute.

1279
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,600
How, how deep is the line
between out in stage 3 and

1280
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,840
playoffs filler content, right?
Like how?

1281
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,320
How stringent is that line there
do you think?

1282
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,160
I think there's there's some
room for for motion.

1283
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,920
OK, So it's a very it's a fluid
line.

1284
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,960
It's not a very like certain
concrete line.

1285
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,360
I because I know that sometimes
these are very concrete lines

1286
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,840
that were like no, they're
that's there's no shot.

1287
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,040
I I that's.
Certain the issue is having

1288
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,240
phase there because phase can
either 3 on every stage or they

1289
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,160
can really struggle.
With Major, well, we'll have a,

1290
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,680
we'll have a conversation.
I think over 50% of our in stage

1291
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:31,040
3 could also be playoffs filler
content, Yeah and I think at

1292
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,360
least 50% of playoff silicon 10
could also be now in situation.

1293
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,480
So super fluid line here is
what.

1294
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:39,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this, this
could just be 1.

1295
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,000
This would be 1.
Category but but that's not.

1296
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,120
Fun.
That's not fun.

1297
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:45,760
Yeah.
But the last thing I will say on

1298
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:52,280
G2, if any team in those top 2
categories does not win the

1299
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,080
major, it is G2 that has won it.
OK.

1300
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:02,320
Now, as I said before, I don't
think that they have as high

1301
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:07,240
potential as they did six months
ago or whatever, but Navi Legacy

1302
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:12,240
or Phase will not win the major.
G2 are the biggest chance

1303
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,880
outside of those five teams
above them.

1304
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,840
OK.
Let's talk about the team.

1305
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,200
Why?
I'm really confused why they're

1306
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,840
in this tier.
Yeah.

1307
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,880
So Phase, I want to talk about
phase moves because if you look

1308
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,560
at phase on paper, you go, yes,
that makes total sense.

1309
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,680
But then you forget about
everything that's happened in

1310
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,240
the last two years because we've
done the Elise Twist swap again.

1311
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,680
Yeah, OK.
So Twist is back on Phase, Elise

1312
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,800
is back on Liquid and they've
done minus rain for Jacob, who

1313
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,200
you had alluded to before has
not played incredibly.

1314
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,520
Great since some.
Hates this guy some some.

1315
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:55,920
He's fucking awful.
Rain himself has started a new

1316
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,520
project over 100 Thieves, which
I assume you guys have talked

1317
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,680
about on the on the podcast
previously.

1318
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:09,240
But this team just on paper
seems very similar to the team

1319
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,920
that with the finals against
Navi 2 years, 2-3 years ago,

1320
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,520
whatever it was, right?
Except they have Jacob except

1321
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,600
for in place of Rain.
But you seem a little bit more

1322
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,080
apoplectic as opposed to
previous iterations of this

1323
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,240
team.
Jack, you go first or I go

1324
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:25,640
first.
I'll.

1325
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,840
Go first, let's go with.
Let's go with the positive 1st

1326
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,480
and then we can go to the
negative because I have.

1327
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,000
None of us will be positive.
Well, I'm going to.

1328
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,880
I am going to be positive
initially because this is the

1329
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:40,600
reason I had them in this tier.
Is that much much against my

1330
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,000
better knowledge and my opinions
on him as an England leader in

1331
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,960
2025 Carrigan can just somehow
bullshit is when playoffs time

1332
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,920
and time after again.
Teams that shouldn't do it.

1333
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,080
Do you can I really want but it
has happened many times and.

1334
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,520
If it happens this time, it's
because he's retiring.

1335
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,160
I mean, it should have as it
should have been three years

1336
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,560
ago, but yeah, but should this
team playoffs?

1337
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,120
Probably not.
I I absolutely agree with that,

1338
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:12,120
But I just there's just that
phase bullshit, man, and I and I

1339
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:17,000
don't want to be too, you know,
on to the mysticism, but I'd

1340
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,440
feel silly not putting them in
because of the world where they

1341
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,600
where they do.
So here's the thing.

1342
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,600
That bullshit, that undoubted
bullshit that does exist.

1343
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:35,200
That's why I won't like.
That's why I'll do them the

1344
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,160
courtesy of not having them be
out in Stage 2 this phase team.

1345
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,520
OK.
Is not good.

1346
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,680
So you're talking, you want
them, you were going to put them

1347
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,520
like down here out in stage. 2
so.

1348
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,640
You'll you'll compromise on
stage 3.

1349
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,080
Yeah, they're probably more
likely to go out in stage 3, but

1350
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,200
like, you know, when we were
talking about game of Legion, I

1351
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,480
said that you can also have a
bad offer and that really

1352
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:05,360
effects Brokie is not good He.
I was a little surprised that

1353
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,960
when we heard that Jacob was
coming in, that it wasn't for

1354
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,920
Brokie, that it wasn't like a.
Oh, they would.

1355
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,680
Be an additional move for for.
They would Bieber, they would

1356
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,720
actually be better off with
Kerrigan Orping on CT sides and

1357
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,840
running 5 rifles on a tape side
then.

1358
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,840
Brokey is not good man.
And yes, that was hyperbole.

1359
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,440
But was CT?
Side up, man, it's a thing.

1360
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,640
He he's too good on a rifle for
them to do it like they would be

1361
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,360
worse.
OK, continue.

1362
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:42,280
Jacob is like arguably the
craziest cronyism in CS since

1363
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,560
like Shocks and Smiths.
Like it's actually insane.

1364
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,120
Well, probably since Jumbo and
Chicasmo, if I'd be honest.

1365
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,080
Well, yeah, possibly.
Which is too.

1366
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,760
Recent to be a good comparison,
but yes.

1367
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:59,120
But for context, you might not
know Logan Carrigan's wife is

1368
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,800
the sports psychologist for
Beclik Apogee.

1369
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,200
For I'm sorry for what you just
said.

1370
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,680
I'm sorry I got a text on my
phone at the same time and you

1371
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:14,480
said bet she's a stop G correct?
That is my team that Jacob was

1372
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:16,680
signed from.
What in the fuck?

1373
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,680
OK, sure.
Yeah.

1374
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:23,520
So, you know, he he's clearly
just like at some point got some

1375
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,320
sloppy toppy and he's like, no,
I need a new fifth.

1376
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,120
Who am I going to get?
And she's like, no, I got this

1377
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,040
guy, which is a.
Strange one, you're.

1378
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,520
Talking about, there's a chance,
right?

1379
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,200
There's a pillow talk and it's
just about young Polish players.

1380
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,360
Yeah, yeah, there's always a
chance.

1381
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,960
He is like, I feel so bad for
the kid.

1382
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,880
I I.
I just went down a quick like

1383
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,000
deep dive into the bet click
history, D ha's on this team and

1384
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,480
for and Hypex's formula.
I don't want to know anymore.

1385
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:56,920
Yeah, sorry.
It's bad.

1386
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,800
I genuinely feel sorry for Jacob
because if phase comes calling

1387
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,880
you are not saying no.
No, you don't say no.

1388
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,480
And maybe in two or three years
time Jacob will be good enough

1389
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,640
for phase.
But Jacob is a game, a Legion

1390
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:18,560
level player, a heroic he needs.
He needs like a development team

1391
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,240
he needs.
You need your 1.5 team before

1392
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:22,360
you get.
Yeah, exactly.

1393
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,400
Yeah, yeah.
And he's also just like for the

1394
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,360
aspirations phase have, that's
very stupid when there are young

1395
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,720
stars, it's just that they're
just like broke, I'm pretty

1396
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,040
sure.
He is suffering.

1397
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,120
Yeah phase are broke.
They are so broke.

1398
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,160
He is suffering.
Twist is excelling.

1399
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,600
Frozen is like consistently
very, very good.

1400
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,040
Frozen is very underrated I
think.

1401
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,800
I don't think people realize how
good frozen.

1402
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,240
Which is insane talking about
Frozen that way because he was

1403
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,920
one of the best players in the
world for.

1404
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,680
He's just, he's mega legit man.
He's fucking awesome.

1405
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,280
Yeah, yeah.
In terms of like if, of what

1406
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,640
players like him and Rob's do,
he's the only player that comes

1407
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,480
close to Rob's.
He comes nowhere near Rob's

1408
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,640
because Rob's is like.
Rob's is Rob.

1409
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,360
'S he's he's one of he's one of
the greatest players to ever

1410
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,200
touch the game.
Also underrated in that sense in

1411
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,240
in my opinion, but frozen.
But yeah, he's the next best

1412
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,800
thing.
He's like, I want Rob to be have

1413
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,680
Rob's at home, but it's like,
you're actually not that mad

1414
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:24,640
about it.
Do you know what I mean?

1415
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,920
Yeah, it's like when we had this
conversation.

1416
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,600
About your mum's bought a good
pizza.

1417
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,440
Who replaces Majisk on Vitality?
He's a good fellow.

1418
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:38,400
Vitality and it was like Mezzy's
the next best thing, but there's

1419
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,520
like 3 people in the world who
can do what Majisk does, just

1420
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,840
none of them could do it as well
as Majisk can at that time.

1421
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:51,360
Yeah, but this team just saying
it Kerrigan is Kerrigan is

1422
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,120
calling a style that hasn't been
met her in such a long time like

1423
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,920
since May.
I know they had a good run at

1424
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,360
the start of CS2, but I think
that might have just been

1425
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:06,560
because they were hitting.
There aren't any team at heart,

1426
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,160
You just have to remember.
That yeah, the thing, The thing

1427
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:18,640
is with CS2 and if you look at
every team above, So what?

1428
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,920
What do they all have?
Like even even Navi and Legacy

1429
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,960
to an extent and G2 as well.
But mouse, exertion, spirit,

1430
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:31,880
Dunk, vitality, flames, Falcons,
Kaisuke, Furia, Ukinda, they all

1431
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,080
have aggressive rifles that they
can build their Teesside around.

1432
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,960
Phase have Jacob and before that
they had Rain, neither of whom

1433
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,760
the Teesside was built around.
They are there to serve a

1434
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,000
purpose, but the Teesside isn't
built around them finding

1435
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,080
success first.
The Teeside is still built the

1436
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,440
same way it was in 2022.
Where it is.

1437
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:59,000
How do we give Brokey, twists
and now Frozen instead of Rops a

1438
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,560
chance to win this round?
Not the best chance.

1439
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,400
Not like Shiro.
Yeah, not like Shiro or Spinks

1440
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,640
or Case Ratan Yuri or whoever
you want to say where it's how

1441
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:09,960
do we give them the best
chances?

1442
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,960
How do we give them a chance?
And it's, it's just like they're

1443
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,720
just fucking miserable to watch.
They are a truly miserable team.

1444
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,640
But the point you make with with
their style, which is why I

1445
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:26,280
still believe in that sort of,
you know, face Mario face

1446
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,200
bullshit, whatever, that kind of
volatile clutchy style, which

1447
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,840
again, isn't matter and they
shouldn't be doing it.

1448
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:38,720
It does allow for some very very
high highs and if things work

1449
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,080
out during the major that way
then then then they may have a

1450
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:41,600
may have a good.
Run.

1451
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,600
It does, but those high highs
are so focused around.

1452
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,200
And they're also harder to get
with, with Jacob opening taking

1453
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,880
space and broken up being as it
used to be.

1454
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,160
I agree.
I'm going to have a start moving

1455
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,760
on.
We've got we have 7 more teams

1456
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,240
to go and we've.
Been on the shoulder come.

1457
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,880
On for a bit of time.
Next team on our list is not as

1458
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,680
sincere.
We should not speed run, but

1459
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,640
let's keep our remarks to the
important bits and the important

1460
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,600
disses.
Novi should change the name to

1461
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,120
Notvi because they're not very
good anymore.

1462
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:16,720
Really.
Then that's it.

1463
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,800
Honestly, I don't have much more
to say than that, actually.

1464
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,560
Like I know we.
Just so, OK, so here's can I

1465
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,280
here Let's let's I have a
question.

1466
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:33,760
I'm going to ask my question.
I remember in the major or in

1467
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,040
the post major episode, we
talked about Makaze coming up.

1468
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,600
That was a big discussion point
that we had had just after the

1469
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,120
major because we kind of like
knew it was about to happen and

1470
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,800
then it happened.
So how is the Makaze experience

1471
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,560
be instead of JL?
So here's here's the thing,

1472
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:53,120
right?
I don't think, I still don't

1473
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,280
think Makaze was ever meant to
come up for JL.

1474
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,960
No.
I think Emma was losing his

1475
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:02,200
place on the team and.
Then he.

1476
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:07,720
Played well and Faze wouldn't
give them frozen because we.

1477
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:14,440
That was a rumour, yeah.
And JL then threw the curveball

1478
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:21,200
of well, I'm going either way.
So McCarthy stepped in for JL.

1479
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:25,160
McCarthy's yeah, yeah.
So McCarthy's interesting to

1480
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,400
talk about alongside Kyo Suki,
right?

1481
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,720
So they were the two big.
Stars 1's good and one's not.

1482
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,920
Well no, McCarthy hasn't been
bad at all, but they were the

1483
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,000
two big stars of the Academy
system at the time.

1484
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,720
Kaosuke exceptional talent on a
team that wasn't as good.

1485
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:49,640
Navi Junior played the better
count Strike Spirit had Sir

1486
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,560
Academy had the better player.
That shows now because Kaosuke

1487
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,840
is fucking exceptional and
McCarthy is just good.

1488
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,400
Like McCarthy has come up to the
higher level.

1489
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,520
It's it's very system.
System as opposed to individual.

1490
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,640
Yeah, yeah.
He has proved he can play at

1491
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,840
this level.
He isn't sinking at all unless

1492
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,120
something has happened in the
last few months that I just

1493
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,440
haven't paid attention.
To yeah, I mean, we're not

1494
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:16,160
saying it's a sink or swim kind
of thing, but.

1495
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,720
It's yeah, like he's got a, he's
got a 1.09.

1496
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,480
He's not.
Like he's we.

1497
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,600
He's not made them better
though, that's my issue.

1498
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,400
We talk, I've talked on the
podcast before about VORP, which

1499
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,960
is this like sports stat for
value over replacement player.

1500
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:29,840
It's used a lot in.
The end.

1501
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,360
Yeah, I remember us talking
about that.

1502
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,040
So in like value over prison
player, he is kind of just like

1503
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,320
replacement player.
He's just a solid player and

1504
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,680
we'll stand there.
Whereas Kyosuke's VORP is like

1505
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,480
very high because he is
incredibly better than just a

1506
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:45,480
given player.
Well, so here's the thing right

1507
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,920
McCarthy?
All time HLTV because he's had a

1508
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,840
short enough career you can look
at it like that 1.17 in the last

1509
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:57,400
six months 1.12 that is an
acceptable drop off yeah yeah

1510
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:00,720
that suggests that he's actually
that he's actually quite good

1511
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:05,520
right.
The issue with with with Navi,

1512
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,440
they kind of lose out on
firepower across the board.

1513
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,280
Bit is obviously very good.
Elliot definitely overrates him

1514
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,120
because.
He's Elliot, yeah.

1515
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,120
But it's still 22.
Let's just keep that in mind.

1516
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,040
That guy's going to be yeah,
yeah, one of the greatest.

1517
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:29,360
Emma is like he's Emma.
Wonderful.

1518
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,600
Cannot hit a shot on the CT
side.

1519
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:36,480
Still.
Oh, Logan, it's so incredible,

1520
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:37,840
right?
So we spoke about.

1521
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:43,320
Are we, are we at like Dragon
30% angle levels of stuff yet?

1522
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,800
Let me talk about it.
You know how we spoke about you

1523
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:54,440
know how earlier we spoke about
the that I'd already done an

1524
01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:59,400
article on Australis right.
So there was a graphic that Jack

1525
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,840
made in that article where it
has wonderful 910 some pious

1526
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,120
Torsi woxik and device.
It has their CT side.

1527
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:12,280
You send me this graphic.
Yeah, yeah, it has their CT side

1528
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:18,520
ratings and their T side ratings
on Wonderful is the only one and

1529
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,640
you can pull it up on your.
Stream.

1530
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,600
Yeah, I want to pull it up.
On this I want to pull it.

1531
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,840
Up on the screen, that's the
reason.

1532
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:29,720
Wonderful is the only one who
has a higher teeside rating.

1533
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,440
He also has the lowest CT side
rating.

1534
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:41,280
That suggests a big problem.
Now what it what it does suggest

1535
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,360
and when you look at their
teeside win rates is Alexi B is

1536
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,200
a good caller.
Who fucking knew?

1537
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,600
But their firepower is a problem
and that's why like they're just

1538
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,200
they're may be good enough to go
to the playoffs.

1539
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:01,280
I I, I'd consider them to be.
But also, like we said earlier,

1540
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,320
it's so open outside of the top
five teams that if they don't,

1541
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,320
OK, like I won't even be like.
It wouldn't.

1542
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,960
It wouldn't be a, it wouldn't be
anything ridiculous.

1543
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,720
Yeah, yeah.
I wouldn't be disappointed in

1544
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,840
them if they didn't.
In in five years time, if we

1545
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,640
looked back at the the playoffs
for this major, you wouldn't say

1546
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,520
we're an RV, I don't think at
this time.

1547
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,160
OK, well, I mean in the way
people view E sports, people

1548
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,400
will always, always say.
Always say we're an RV actually

1549
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,200
on the top.
Yeah, you know that you.

1550
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,400
Know that I understand what you
mean.

1551
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,720
If you if you removed logos and
just put team members, it would

1552
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,840
be what like, you know what I
was asking where this where this

1553
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,960
is, right?
OK, let's move on to legacy, who

1554
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,960
I think is the biggest surprise
for me in this the top three

1555
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,160
section here.
I legacy like Demao's very good.

1556
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:52,680
We've been talking about Demao
for a long time.

1557
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,920
We've been talking about how
Laddo is pretty good for a long

1558
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,560
time.
What what, what the fuck

1559
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,040
happened here?
That we put them in the we're

1560
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,760
certain to make playoffs kind of
racket.

1561
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,000
I think things have just
clicked.

1562
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,800
Well, man, things are just.
And that's such a copper answer,

1563
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,160
but they're just.
They're just winning.

1564
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:14,040
It could be a real answer like.
Yeah, they're just, they're

1565
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,040
doing well.
Related, they're just good.

1566
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,920
They're only a good run at form,
I would say, and the majors are

1567
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,840
a good time for that to happen.
OK, here's the thing.

1568
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:26,040
Can we have a a counter for how
many times?

1569
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,440
Sam says.
Here's the thing in this

1570
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:28,720
episode.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1571
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:29,920
Charlie, I think we're actively
all right.

1572
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,880
Get on it.
Yeah, here's the thing.

1573
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,040
You know how I said Fazer here
as a courtesy?

1574
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:43,080
Legacy are also here as a
courtesy because Legacy have now

1575
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,720
won an event.
They've played in the final of

1576
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:49,040
another and they've looked quite
good recently.

1577
01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:52,640
But they have a couple of
players who aren't that good.

1578
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:57,880
And those events saw them play
in fields that were very weak.

1579
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:03,080
Like one of the the event
they've won is an event that

1580
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,880
you're looking at and thinking
Liquid might be the favorite to

1581
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,000
win this.
That was CS Asia Championship

1582
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,520
2025, yes.
So if you think of everything

1583
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,520
we've said about liquid, what
the fuck?

1584
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,120
That doesn't suggest that
that's.

1585
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,800
Normally Nova Junior.
I'm diving.

1586
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,720
I'm diving too deep.
I'm sorry everyone, please.

1587
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,000
Continue that doesn't suggest
legacy are actually that good

1588
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,960
and this is what I said about
them in the deep.

1589
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:33,000
They are there because they are
better than the teams that

1590
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,920
they've beaten in these
competitions and the teams

1591
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,960
they've beaten in these
competitions are the teams that

1592
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,200
are lower than them right now.
They are.

1593
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:41,840
They are lower than them in
this.

1594
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,840
They they are here because when
you do the actual team by team

1595
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,280
comparison, they are better than
the teams below, not because and

1596
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,480
and they happen to be in
playoffs filler content because

1597
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,600
the teams below we think even
less of them.

1598
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,760
But that's not how the major
works.

1599
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,440
No.
No, because they could face any

1600
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,160
number of the five teams above
them, or even a couple of the

1601
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,600
teams along this bracket and
maybe a couple of teams below

1602
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,200
it, and they could easily lose
and it wouldn't be an upset.

1603
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,960
Obviously just above wouldn't.
It just would be.

1604
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,880
Yeah, yeah, People would call it
a disappointment or like a

1605
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,720
return to normal.
Realistically I just think

1606
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,760
they're an OK team with a high
enough ceiling to profit off

1607
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:31,080
being in in amongst bad teams
and make themselves look good.

1608
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,960
And Elliot left.
I said this in the deep line and

1609
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,800
Elliot left a comment on it
saying to be fair they see is in

1610
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,560
essence what a good team is.
This isn't in essence what a

1611
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,520
good team is.
Because the five teams above

1612
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:46,600
that prove that fucking wrong
then are a bad team.

1613
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:52,520
Like, I still think the way that
they beat Vitality in Austin was

1614
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,880
a fluke that could only have
happened on Inferno.

1615
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,520
They're not bad.
They're just not they're.

1616
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,440
Just not, you know, particularly
good either.

1617
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,520
I don't think I.
Don't think again.

1618
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,840
I don't think they have the
firepower to be to be that good.

1619
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,720
The the point to remember, the
point that I'm making is that

1620
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,480
they're in a good run of form
coming into major, right?

1621
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,160
If, if we pick these names out
of a hat at the start of the

1622
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,800
year, I would have gone No, But
I think right now they're better

1623
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,480
than they have been and there's
a chance to make a good run.

1624
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,200
Yeah, full matters a lot.
Confidence matters a lot.

1625
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,440
But also so does the team list
of a tournament.

1626
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,200
This is true.
Let's move on then to Maus, who

1627
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,000
have not made any moves since
the last major.

1628
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,400
They look exactly the same as
they did.

1629
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,600
Have they gotten better?
Because that's the thing with

1630
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,440
Maus is they've always like
gotten incrementally better

1631
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:48,560
every time they've played.
They've kind of been up and down

1632
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:52,880
this year.
I'd say no it but like from like

1633
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,720
second best team to 4th best
team I would say.

1634
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,400
I've said they've been the
second best team all year.

1635
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,680
They hit OK hit.
Oh, I'm not saying it.

1636
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:11,440
Fuck you Mouse.
Have played 16 events this year.

1637
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,280
OK.
They have been a top four team

1638
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,640
in all but three of them.
Two of the events that they

1639
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:26,040
weren't top 4IN was Blast Bounty
Season 1 where they lost to Bet

1640
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,560
Boom in the opening round and
then bench should be immediately

1641
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,280
afterwards.
Yeah, which it wasn't this

1642
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:32,920
roster.
So we can, we can put that off

1643
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,040
to the side from that.
The next event after that was

1644
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,400
Cato, where they played with
Jack.

1645
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,720
You might remember the standing
eyes.

1646
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,920
Oh, Zelex.
Zelex.

1647
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,560
Zelex, Yeah.
A player.

1648
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,800
Please not a real player.
They finished dead last there.

1649
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:54,080
Fun fact about him, he has about
4K hours in the game, he's

1650
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,840
pretty touched the game, pretty
played, and he's just better

1651
01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:00,160
than we'll all ever be anyway.
You know, what's really funny is

1652
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,760
you said that I was like, wait,
is that supposed to be a lot?

1653
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,480
Because I think I have for
chaos.

1654
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,160
No, precisely.
I have 3.87.

1655
01:31:07,480 --> 01:31:09,440
Yeah, just checked.
Yeah, he hasn't touched the

1656
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:13,680
game, but yeah.
The only other one in which they

1657
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,560
haven't finished the top four in
the top 4 was the Esports World

1658
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,640
Cup where they place in the top
8, which was also one of the

1659
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,640
only single elimination
tournaments this year is.

1660
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:29,120
It true.
Mouse are an incredibly good

1661
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,800
team but don't get the credit
for how good they are because

1662
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:39,160
like oh they've choked or
they've got no aura.

1663
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,800
Which fuck off by the way.
Like they might be boring but.

1664
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,280
Susan has aura.
He does carry it in his upper

1665
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:55,080
chest, but he does have aura.
Mouse are so good that but no

1666
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,840
one really wants them to be
because they don't have like

1667
01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:03,440
anyone particularly flashy.
No.

1668
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,280
They're they're the definition
of a better than the sum of

1669
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,000
their parts.
To you and the fact they are as

1670
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,400
consistent as they are for my
money makes them the second best

1671
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,160
team in the world.
And if it's not them, it's

1672
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,280
Falcons because they can beat
Vitality and they can beat

1673
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,160
Spirit.
They can beat any team above

1674
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,320
them.
And it's why in the deep dive I

1675
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,840
said that if you really don't
win the major, I think it might

1676
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,680
be Mouse because they don't
choke.

1677
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,960
They are the team that is, like
you say, better than the sum of

1678
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,160
their parts.
They are that team.

1679
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,600
I don't think they can ever
improve a single part is is is

1680
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,240
the truth of it.
I don't think that they have the

1681
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,880
money to, nor do I think the
players are available.

1682
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:52,320
I think not a single one of the
mouse players is the best in

1683
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,600
their role, but they're fucking
close and.

1684
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,320
I think there's there's a
conversation position in Jimmy

1685
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,200
for being the best or the second
best in that role.

1686
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:08,280
I would say maybe not Jimmy
right now, but exertion I think.

1687
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,800
Exertion plays the same role as
Dunk, let me remind you.

1688
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,240
Yeah.
And I think he's that obviously

1689
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:17,560
not a goodbye exertion was was.
You would say first or. 2nd to

1690
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,960
win trying to win during trying
to do like against the in the

1691
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:26,080
vitality game he was like he
just got barnacles man.

1692
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:27,320
He was ridiculous.
Yeah, yeah.

1693
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:32,360
So, So what I'm trying to say
is, is there is a world where

1694
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:34,920
this like always the bridesmaid,
never the bride.

1695
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,080
It is the story of this mouse
team.

1696
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:42,480
And if it unlike, you know,
someone like Australis, I think

1697
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:45,000
it would always remain that
story.

1698
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:52,080
I don't think there will ever be
a gap in the teams again that

1699
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,920
they are good enough to take a
hold of and become the best team

1700
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,080
in the world.
Nailed on whatever where they

1701
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,960
would be profiteering in the way
like someone like Legacy have or

1702
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,480
Aurora did earlier on in the
year.

1703
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:09,160
But they are at an incredibly
good point and they could win

1704
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,360
any tournament at any given
point in time.

1705
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,520
And people definitely underrate
the entire roster all.

1706
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:20,680
Right.
Let's move on to spirit the big

1707
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,680
moves.
They have made a couple big

1708
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:27,480
moves since the last major.
The 1st it's it's minus magics

1709
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:30,120
minus Zontix.
Adds way and tenure.

1710
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:33,640
Yeah.
Has it helped?

1711
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,760
One of those moves is good.
I assume you mean the tenure

1712
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,280
move, Yeah.
Talk while I charge up.

1713
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:44,280
Some, and I both have a theory
on this, that that tenure's the

1714
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,720
real managed replacement and
Zvey is a temporary fix for

1715
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,480
Zontext.
I think that's going to be the

1716
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:51,600
case because yeah, I'm not going
to.

1717
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:57,080
Spirit have not had great tee
sides as of late and without

1718
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,600
seeing some as points for a team
of Donk and Shiro, they have not

1719
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,080
won as much as they should have
won this year.

1720
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,240
I will now hand over to Sam to,
I don't know, verbally

1721
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:10,440
assassinate Chopper or
something.

1722
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,280
Let's just keep it purple for
now.

1723
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:24,160
Chopper and Hallie release.
Hallie it is time to go.

1724
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:31,960
You have fucking Donk and
fucking Shiro on your team and

1725
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,360
you have won this year.
Let me just remind myself.

1726
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,280
The biggest event of the year.
I am Cologne.

1727
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,000
Irrelevant.
I'm trolling a little bit, but

1728
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:47,840
you know.
Astana Cologne blast bounty.

1729
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,360
Season 1 and two.
OK so Blast Bounty is half of

1730
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,160
which is online and half the
teams don't really give a fuck

1731
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:58,760
about Astana Dog tear fucking
field.

1732
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,280
Truly terrible field.
Yep.

1733
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,680
OK.
And then they want Cologne,

1734
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,640
which which we will say Cologne
is a big deal of an event.

1735
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,880
Yeah, but here's the point I've
tried to make on the podcast a

1736
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,640
couple Times Now in terms of
completing Counter Strike,

1737
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:21,040
Spirit of Speed Run that in 18
months they won Cato, a major

1738
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:27,200
and Cologne.
That is great, but it makes them

1739
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,320
look so much better than they
are, so much better than they

1740
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,760
are.
Like if, if you, if you tell me

1741
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,600
the way that they've done, the
way that they've won these

1742
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,960
events, right?
Especially Cato.

1743
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:44,600
If you told me that after that
winning Cato, this would be all

1744
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:50,920
they had to show for the next
two years, I would have asked

1745
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,120
you what went wrong.
Because I promise you, if you go

1746
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,800
back to when they won Cato,
everyone was saying they will be

1747
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:01,440
the new dominant force when they
won the major in Shanghai, When

1748
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:03,040
they win the major, how were
they?

1749
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,160
How were they the new dominant?
How many tournaments did they

1750
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:06,880
won?
Well, it was the same thing when

1751
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,160
they won Shanghai.
Last London, Shanghai, right.

1752
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,400
And a few others.
Yeah, yeah.

1753
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:12,640
They bombed out.
Who became the best?

1754
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:14,480
Who became the best team in the
world?

1755
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:18,920
Oh yeah, fucking Navi, right?
They were the best team in the

1756
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,640
world.
They were the best team in the

1757
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,640
world.
I'm not engaging in that.

1758
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,960
That's fucking.
So did you not watch Counter

1759
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,040
Strike last year when they were
either winning every event or in

1760
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,280
the final of every event?
They were the best team in the

1761
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:39,040
world.
They were undoubtedly for six

1762
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,360
months of the year they were the
best team in the world.

1763
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,920
I.
Would excuse them being the best

1764
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,520
team in the world.
Yeah, you can pretend that they

1765
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,920
weren't, but all you're doing is
like what?

1766
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:57,520
From revealing yourself?
Yeah, if you are in the final or

1767
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,000
win, well, I mean if you win it,
you're in the final.

1768
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,920
Either way.
You're in the final of like 9

1769
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,760
events in a row.
You are the best team in the

1770
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,440
world.
Like don't, don't be ridiculous.

1771
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:09,280
Who?
Who else was if it wasn't them?

1772
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,160
OK, I suppose they suppose they
were pretty good.

1773
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,680
Right, they win.
Shanghai.

1774
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,800
What's the conversation again?
Oh, they're just going to

1775
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,480
dominate, aren't they?
Every time spirit win an event,

1776
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:25,240
it's like, oh, we're finally
going to get the spirit.

1777
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,120
No, we're not because that
spirit doesn't exist.

1778
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,560
It doesn't exist because their
system is fucking terrible.

1779
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,280
Like, OK, Sway isn't good enough
regardless, right?

1780
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:37,000
He's just not.
Tania has gone off a Cliff.

1781
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,640
I've said all this on the
podcast already.

1782
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,320
Tania has gone off a Cliff.
Their system is not good enough

1783
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,400
for them to be the team that
Duncan fucking Shiro deserve.

1784
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:51,480
So of these fucking these four
teams in potential of the

1785
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:54,680
winners, they simultaneously
have the biggest chance of

1786
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:59,160
winning the major and also the
lowest chance because Duncan

1787
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,160
Shiro.
It's not a fun team to support.

1788
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:05,400
No, it's fucking frustrating.
If you're in love, you and

1789
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,160
you're winning.
It doesn't matter, no.

1790
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,240
It's it's frustrating.
No, no.

1791
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,240
OK, Jack, what football team are
you a fan of?

1792
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,680
I'm a fan of Swansea City so I
know what it feels like to lose.

1793
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,480
OK, well, I am a fan of the
baseball team.

1794
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:24,400
The New York Mets, OK, famously
spend a trillion dollars on

1795
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,040
their roster every season.
And really?

1796
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:29,480
Is that real?
Actually not.

1797
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:31,120
Not exaggeration.
I was going to say, well,

1798
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,480
Americans, Americans, just
mental money.

1799
01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:40,360
OK, they just paid Juan Soto
$747 million for the next 15

1800
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:41,840
years.
OK.

1801
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,440
Is he good?
OK.

1802
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,280
Sorry, he is a top 2.
Is he?

1803
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,160
What is he?
What he throws ball fast or

1804
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,240
fucking hits ball hard?
You hit ball very hard, hit ball

1805
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:54,560
very hard.
My point here, my point here is

1806
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,560
that they have just signed the
best play, one of the best

1807
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,000
players of baseball.
They have an incredible

1808
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,560
shortstop.
They have these incredibly high

1809
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,680
expectations.
And this year they went 83 and

1810
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:07,600
72.
They did not make the playoffs.

1811
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,960
They were just the most.
Medium school thing or do you

1812
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,960
just play that many games?
Do you play 162 games of

1813
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,680
baseball?
They play almost every day.

1814
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,200
Really.
Yes, neither here nor there, but

1815
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:22,840
the sorry.
No, no, take a second.

1816
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,480
How does that work?
Well, how many teams are there?

1817
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:31,680
There's 30 teams in the MLB.
But this is a counter try

1818
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,880
podcast.
The big the big thing about the

1819
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,440
MLB is that you have a different
pitcher every day, a different

1820
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:38,480
starting pitcher and you get
different relief pitchers every

1821
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:39,600
day.
And that's the thing that is

1822
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,720
generally the most like tiring
in terms of strenuousness is

1823
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,560
throwing 90 plus miles an hour.
So you're you have like a week

1824
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,280
of rest on pitchers, but your
everyday players who play in the

1825
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,760
field and stuff, it's not that
bad on them.

1826
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,600
So they get to play every day.
OK.

1827
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:59,680
So my point here is that the New
York Mets are just were this

1828
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,320
past year where the most middle
of the road did not make the

1829
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:07,320
playoffs, but far and away had
the highest salary, OK, And had

1830
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:11,880
one, one if not two of the best
players like right Juan Soto.

1831
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,320
So you're starting Falcons
actually, not Spirit.

1832
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,440
No, I'm actually doing the
spirit bit here because just let

1833
01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:20,600
me finish.
This is the spirit bit.

1834
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,160
Is that dog is Juan Soto here,
right?

1835
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,080
He is one of the greatest
players of his generation.

1836
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,160
He is incredibly good.
He hit forty home runs and stole

1837
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,400
30 bases this year.
He's incredibly good.

1838
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,800
Francisco Lindori Shiro here.
He is incredibly good at in the

1839
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,040
field.
He's incredibly good.

1840
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,120
That he's so good.
And then the entire pitching

1841
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:42,680
staff and the rest of the system
of the New York Mets let down

1842
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:50,120
these two all generational
players, OK, and that's the and

1843
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,520
made them just a mediocre team
for the year.

1844
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,880
So the fact that they couldn't
pitch, they couldn't fucking

1845
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,720
field third base.
But because of all of that, they

1846
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,920
couldn't actually win games
unless it was from heroics from

1847
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,360
Juan Soto and Francis Goudor.
As someone who loves comparison

1848
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,280
to traditional sports, that was
excellent.

1849
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:09,080
Thank you.
Thank you.

1850
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,200
I just really wanted to talk
about the New York Mets.

1851
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,920
Yeah, they just.
It's just an acceptable man.

1852
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,520
Like I'm I'm so sick of spirit.
If spirit were the best team in

1853
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:21,680
the world, winning fucking
everything the way vitality

1854
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,160
were, I wouldn't complain right?
I'd obviously be looking forward

1855
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:28,600
to when they got toppled,
because that's the the good

1856
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,520
thing about having a dominant
team, right is is who beats

1857
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,640
them.
They have Duncan Shiro like

1858
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,360
great cool and Tania also is
good enough to be on a team that

1859
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:44,160
good until he came on spirit and
then he got fucking worse.

1860
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:50,720
Zwei he's in roles.
He just like you know, like why

1861
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,840
is he fucking bombsight entry?
He was a fucking lurker.

1862
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,920
Why did you ever sign him if you
were going to sign Teneir?

1863
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,240
Well, because they were signing
him for till Zum ticks us back,

1864
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,040
isn't it?
That's got to be the case, man.

1865
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,000
I know That doesn't change the
issues, just no I know.

1866
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,920
Change the issues.
Like it's so stupid.

1867
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:12,640
Yes, Zwei's worse than he should
be because like his CT roles are

1868
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,200
kind of the same, right?
Like he's not been left out to

1869
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,360
dry and CT and he gets like 5
out of seven.

1870
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:21,360
They're the same and he's just
bad.

1871
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:28,480
But Fox Spirit, man, Fox spirit
until they become the number one

1872
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,760
team in the world and nail it in
because they have never been

1873
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,400
that.
They haven't been not once in

1874
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:37,520
two years, and they should have
been for probably a full year of

1875
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,880
that.
We will be there for the Spirit.

1876
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,560
Be the best major trophy left
and you will.

1877
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,520
Have yeah, yeah.
And it if it happened, no, I

1878
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,760
won't.
I won't have egg on my face

1879
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:50,120
because as I said, they like out
of this.

1880
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,720
Category they say eggy boy, eggy
boy at you.

1881
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,520
They simultaneously have the
biggest chance of winning it and

1882
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:56,800
the smallest chance of winning
it.

1883
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,360
That's.
Just that's awesome.

1884
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,680
That's awesome.
No, it's not.

1885
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,600
It's good for the sport, maybe
it's good.

1886
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:04,360
It's good fun.
No, it's not.

1887
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:06,760
It's.
I want my I want my really

1888
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:09,760
boring team to win all the time.
You sound like how are you a

1889
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,080
rich what mate?
No it's not that I want my

1890
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,040
really boring team to win ahead
of time, it's as a fan of

1891
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:19,120
multiple sports teams who when I
watch the team I have a heart

1892
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,520
attack because they are either
the best team in the world or

1893
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,640
the worst team in the world.
My cardiologist has told me that

1894
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,880
I need to lay off and I cannot
do that in counter strike as

1895
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,480
well.
To have a heart attack every

1896
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:32,800
fucking time I watch a team.
You guys are scared of?

1897
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,520
The teams push over teams to be
better.

1898
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:38,320
OK, my for what it's worth, my
cardiac didn't, my cardiologist

1899
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:39,480
did not actually tell me to do
that.

1900
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:40,480
But you.
Want a lot about that?

1901
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:42,520
Yeah, my cardiologist says I'm.
Good.

1902
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,720
I'm also happy about.
This OK, let's move on to

1903
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,960
Vitality team.
Yeah, let's talk about Vitality.

1904
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,280
So this was like the best team
in the world, and it wasn't

1905
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,120
actually particularly close.
And now they're sitting in

1906
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:54,840
potential other winners.
What the fuck happened?

1907
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:01,680
I have I sucks OK that map pool
sucks to the point where in

1908
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,800
Chengdu they picked their oh
they sorry they banned their

1909
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,840
first pick or amount.
They picked a lot to play a map

1910
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,480
they haven't practiced.
They played Ancient, which as I

1911
01:45:11,480 --> 01:45:15,200
were in Apex, both have had 0
HLTV games on before that final.

1912
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:17,440
Just for context of how bad the
map pool is.

1913
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,560
They've been at a lot of events,
so that's where I'm going to

1914
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,520
give them some grace.
But Vitality's train

1915
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,320
particularly has not evolved
since the map was introduced.

1916
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:30,440
They have not changed how they
play at all.

1917
01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:33,040
They have not evolved, and this
is true on a few maps actually,

1918
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,920
but trains the most most
offensive honestly.

1919
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,320
Yeah, that.
Train is terrible.

1920
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,960
And secondly, I just I have them
here because like they can still

1921
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,320
fucking win it, but I just don't
I kind of don't want them to.

1922
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,320
I like Vitaly, I like I like I
like most of the players

1923
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:59,080
keyboard most, but I just kind
of fell for them being good or

1924
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,560
being at the top.
Really.

1925
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,520
It's it's more that than that.
Then I think they're bad.

1926
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:07,520
They're not as they have been,
definitely not.

1927
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:12,880
But to say they're not, you
know, if they won't, I wouldn't

1928
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,160
be like surprised.
I'd be annoyed, but I wouldn't

1929
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:24,720
be surprised.
So if spirit have simultaneously

1930
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:31,160
the biggest and lowest chance of
winning the major, vitality like

1931
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,200
the second biggest.
And probably second worst.

1932
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,480
No, I don't think second lowest
out of this category, but

1933
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:45,600
they're certainly the second
biggest where Vitality.

1934
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:54,360
I think if Dunk and Shiro didn't
exist, or maybe just Dunk right

1935
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,040
or a couple of players didn't
exist, you would look at

1936
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:03,000
Vitality and you would say like
this is the Super team, like

1937
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,040
they just have someone good in
every role.

1938
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,480
Apex is undoubtedly one of the
best ideals in the world.

1939
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:09,880
Flames is one of the best Agra
rifles in the world.

1940
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,240
Mesi is like glue.
Player is fucking astoundingly

1941
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,160
good.
Robson's I who speak for

1942
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,400
themselves, right?
For sure.

1943
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:22,760
Vitality are so good and they
have been so good this season

1944
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,240
where because they were so good
last season, everyone thinks

1945
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:27,680
they've been terrible all
season.

1946
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:32,760
It's the like the comparison,
yeah.

1947
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,240
It's because you you aren't the
most dominant team ever that

1948
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,720
you're now just shit
comparatively.

1949
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:43,880
Yeah, yeah.
But and Chengdu was so nearly A5

1950
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,840
map final or or even a Freo in
the way of Vitality.

1951
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:51,800
So nearly.
But Fallen won a couple of

1952
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,840
massive clutch rounds that just
won maps of Furia.

1953
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:59,160
Vitality could so easily win
this major, but they're just,

1954
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:01,760
they're just not as good as they
were in the first half of the

1955
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,080
year.
Whether that's because, you

1956
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,680
know, every other team got
stronger, maybe they did

1957
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,640
slightly profit off bad teams.
It's kind of rare that any team

1958
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,360
as dominant as Vitality isn't
doing that.

1959
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:19,440
In fact, there probably is no
cases of it being realistic in

1960
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:21,000
any sport.
Actually.

1961
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:30,320
Maybe the players were just in
hot form as well, maybe their

1962
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,600
maps have dropped off slightly,
but they've still got the

1963
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,120
players to win the major.
They can still easily win the

1964
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,760
major because they are that good
of a team.

1965
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,120
It's just they aren't the
favorite anymore.

1966
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:45,280
And it's kind of OK because if
Fioria hadn't have excelled to

1967
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:49,240
the level they have in the past
two months, there would just be

1968
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:52,440
5 teams in this category and
we'd be calling it a day at

1969
01:48:52,440 --> 01:48:55,200
that, and every team would have
like a 20% chance of winning.

1970
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,840
It'd be fine.
Something to note as well, the

1971
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:01,120
two fatality majors, they both
they won the event prior to that

1972
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:05,800
event both times, obviously they
haven't won Chengdu or Hong

1973
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,320
Kong, so.
Yeah.

1974
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,480
According to the to the
supercomputer, they shouldn't

1975
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:12,880
win this major.
They're also one of the only

1976
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,240
teams that actually does win the
event before.

1977
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:18,440
Yes, this is they win the major.
Not many teams do that.

1978
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:20,800
OK all.
Right, let's move on.

1979
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,320
We are.
We are at an hour and 51 minutes

1980
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:24,080
of the recording.
I know.

1981
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,440
There's two broadcasts this week
and one that's twice as long.

1982
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:29,960
Awesome.
Yeah, Falcons.

1983
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,840
Here's the big deal is it's
minus Majesque plus Kaosuke.

1984
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:39,080
Since the last major, I have
been told this team is good.

1985
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,640
I refuse to believe that.
They're really good.

1986
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:44,440
Thank you.
Yeah.

1987
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:48,560
There is just one issue with
this team of the major that I

1988
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,600
think we all know and that's
that's Nico.

1989
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,680
Has a curse, sadly.
Nico upset some bulk and witch

1990
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,240
is this is.
This the first major zonic has

1991
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:03,680
been at without majisk.
No, no.

1992
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,920
No, because Atlanta.
And.

1993
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,160
Probably a couple prior, but.
Since, since.

1994
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:13,400
Since sorry, since.
Since Sistrella started winning.

1995
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,840
Since we've just joined, yes,
since we've been together.

1996
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,840
OK, this is the first one.
Because that's that's a long

1997
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,680
time major.
That's like 8 years worth of

1998
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:25,480
majors right there.
Because they actually made

1999
01:50:25,480 --> 01:50:28,520
majors when Australis wasn't
funds to.

2000
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,600
Some degree.
So Falcons.

2001
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:35,640
Falcons are a very good team
with exceedingly high firepower.

2002
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,000
If you're talking about
firepower, out of two players,

2003
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:43,280
they might even be the closest
team to Spirit in that sense,

2004
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,080
even more so than Vitality,
because Vitality do have

2005
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:52,320
Robson's Iwoo, but like Tayasuke
or Niko, take your pick and

2006
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,640
Monosi is an incredible amount
of firepower.

2007
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,600
Well, they they would definitely
have top three, right?

2008
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:02,280
There's no like your third
person on Vitality is Flames

2009
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:07,440
then yeah, that's not saying
Flames is bad, but the the trio.

2010
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,560
Yeah, and him being the third
player is very, very good as

2011
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:12,680
well.
But yeah, Falcons have well.

2012
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,440
But you have said are.
We saying Nico is the third

2013
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:16,320
player?
You're right.

2014
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:19,120
It doesn't really matter if you
say.

2015
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,680
Nico, it's an and or Yeah, yeah,
They have the best Freeman core

2016
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,000
in the world.
They just do.

2017
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,520
Just on the point as well, if
Nico is up with potentially

2018
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,400
being your third best player,
Jesus Christ, what a fucking

2019
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,200
team, right?
I think yeah, yeah, For him not

2020
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:40,560
to be the Curry is impressive.
Everyone wants to hate Falcons,

2021
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:42,160
right?
Everyone brings up these

2022
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:45,840
unloosable rounds.
I can't remember which Twitter

2023
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,920
account posted the other day,
but it was it was those stupid

2024
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:57,080
fucking card grading sleeve
things but with the radars from

2025
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:58,520
the Falcons.
That's pretty good.

2026
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:02,080
Sure, with the radar from
Falcons, and there's six of them

2027
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:08,800
from 12 months, Six of them.
How many times do you think a

2028
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,800
team of Falcons level gets
clutched?

2029
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:14,880
Someone wins a clutch against
them yeah OK, A couple of the

2030
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,240
clutches they have lost have
been bad.

2031
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:23,360
The the major one against MIBR 6
back The the major 1 is in the

2032
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:28,400
the Turkish one sticks out and I
think the blitz one also sticks

2033
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:29,360
out.
You know with the one where he's

2034
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,320
just stuck car on this too,
Jack.

2035
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:32,760
I can't remember what event it
was.

2036
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,160
BBZWCI.
Think it is and he just fiddles

2037
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:39,640
them.
Yeah, no, a couple of them

2038
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:43,920
sticks out, but from the the
Hong Kong final there is a round

2039
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:48,480
that kicks and one where he's
trapped wine on fucking a site

2040
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:52,120
inferno and there is a player
coming from every angle on the

2041
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:55,040
side of fury kicks and one.
Yeah.

2042
01:52:56,240 --> 01:53:00,080
Every team loses on losable
rounds, but every cunting

2043
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,280
counter strike wants to go at
Falcon's throat.

2044
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:04,880
But this is the thing, right?
Like whenever there's a super

2045
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,400
team.
Like even like when faith.

2046
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:10,840
Isn't owned by Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, exactly.

2047
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:13,240
But like everyone just loves to
shit on teams that are trying to

2048
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:14,560
be good, which is kind of silly
to me.

2049
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,640
Like.
Well I like to shit on Saudi

2050
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:18,640
Arabia.
It's it's unrelated to the Super

2051
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:19,840
team bet.
Yeah, sure.

2052
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,720
And like that, that's that's
totally fine.

2053
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:23,520
But like I.
Want to be very clear on that.

2054
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,200
It's just kind of dumb to just
go to the players for it.

2055
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:30,080
They're obviously a very, very,
very good team.

2056
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,680
Especially when most of these
people would have signed for

2057
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,440
Falcons.
They talk about their fucking

2058
01:53:34,440 --> 01:53:36,160
morals but they would absolutely
take them.

2059
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,840
Yeah, if you get fucking I, I
would have signed me the fuck

2060
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,040
up.
Absolutely, yeah.

2061
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:46,000
Anyway, the issue with this team
is Nico.

2062
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,120
It will not win a major.
Nico Nico is unable to win a

2063
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:52,840
major for some reason.
Nico Will Nico go down as like

2064
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:57,720
John, Joe, Namath or?
He's don't know what it.

2065
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:00,520
Means football quarterback who
has never won a won a super.

2066
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,560
Bowl, but he's one of the best
quarterbacks ever then yes,

2067
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,520
yeah, like Ronaldo if he doesn't
grab a World Cup, Messi if he he

2068
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:11,480
didn't win the last one.
Yeah, yeah, No, I actually said

2069
01:54:11,480 --> 01:54:14,200
on the podcast the other day, I
think when Nico becomes Nigel,

2070
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:17,200
he won, he'll win a major.
By the way, sorry, I absolutely

2071
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:20,400
meant Dan Marino, Nacho Namath,
the football fans of the the

2072
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,440
American football fans, please
don't Thank you.

2073
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,240
But he won't.
He won't win a major as a star

2074
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:31,120
player.
He needs to like take the the

2075
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:33,640
reins I guess.
Wahoo's, 2028.

2076
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:38,840
He he needs to be the one in
control of his destiny in in a

2077
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,560
sense.
There is another problem with

2078
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:45,960
Falcons, Tess says As much as we
like him, he's being forced into

2079
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:47,200
a role he's not comfortable
with.

2080
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:50,880
They are still, it's a meme to
say like just one more signing,

2081
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:54,600
but the truth is they are one
more signing away that they want

2082
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:58,840
to be until they get their bit
or their gym fat, whichever one

2083
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,280
it is, they will always be that
one signing away.

2084
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,440
They don't have that.
True.

2085
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:06,640
Like, yes, Nico's become more
passive, but they don't have

2086
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:08,520
that.
This is a team that's always

2087
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:13,920
going to be four of the best
players in the world and an IGL

2088
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:18,640
that can bring it all together.
Also on the top of that says

2089
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,640
it's very they've been trying to
sign him fat like last season,

2090
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:24,480
right?
Like they probably spoke the bit

2091
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,440
as well.
Like he knows his days are

2092
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:29,720
numbered, right?
The same way that majestic

2093
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,320
definitely did.
Maybe even kicks on to a degree

2094
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:35,560
in the future, right?
Like basically everyone who came

2095
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,680
from that heroic core, they knew
that their spot on that team was

2096
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:39,800
a ticking time bomb.
Do you know what I mean?

2097
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:45,280
They were bought to be the core.
So that can't be great for your

2098
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:46,440
mantle trying to go in and win
stuff.

2099
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:48,400
Because I think even if they won
the major, he probably knows

2100
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,040
that they're still probably
going to get rid of them at some

2101
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:55,240
point.
Yeah, So yeah, Falcons could win

2102
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,160
the major, but they're just not
going to.

2103
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,240
It's the truth of it.
So who is going to win the

2104
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,600
major?
Well, according to you folks,

2105
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:07,560
the answer is furia.
Which, what a fucking crazy

2106
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:09,000
timeline.
Still not.

2107
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:09,800
Fucking yeah.
I love it.

2108
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:11,280
I love it.
I just I'm just this.

2109
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,480
Is there is chaos involved here
and I am here for it.

2110
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:17,080
So Furia obviously have gone
through a little bit of an

2111
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:20,360
international transformation.
They did this I believe before

2112
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,000
the last major.
April.

2113
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,440
It is in April, it was pre last
major but it was very new in the

2114
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,480
last major.
And since that point, according

2115
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:31,720
to you folks, Moladoy has been
like the best opera in the

2116
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:33,760
world.
You kinda remembered how to play

2117
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,360
counter strike and Fallen has
just been good on rifle.

2118
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,240
You kinda your timing.
Team Liquid didn't count.

2119
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,920
Does not count.
Yeah.

2120
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:46,000
Moladoy's the truth, man.
As the Brazilians, they've won.

2121
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,040
Like the truth?
Their last seven events or some

2122
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:50,600
shit.
Like not one the last 7 events

2123
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:52,320
but.
Like the last four events

2124
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,560
they've played, the last five
events they've said they've got

2125
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,080
4 trophies.
They've won four out of five

2126
01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:01,880
events.
Yeah, yeah, Yukinda is probably,

2127
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:03,280
at this point, the best he's
ever been.

2128
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:08,080
Kaesarato and Yuri the same.
Fallen has become a rifle in

2129
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:10,200
game leader who's incredibly
selfless.

2130
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,960
Takes virtually no good spots on
the CT side.

2131
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:17,440
He is, and he's also enabling
everyone to play with flashes

2132
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,760
and utility, by the way.
That's important.

2133
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:22,760
This is the flashes.
Totally reinvented.

2134
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:24,440
Reinvented himself as like a
support player.

2135
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:27,840
Yeah, exceptionally good as
Flashes will happily jump around

2136
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,480
a corner backwards for someone
to trade him on the T side.

2137
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:36,720
Still lets himself get an ORP on
the CT side, and furious double

2138
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:39,200
orp seems to work a lot better
than everyone else who's off an

2139
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:41,520
eye test.
I've looked in the stats of

2140
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:45,960
that.
I'm sorry, the D just on paper,

2141
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,480
it's you have one of the best
offers of all time.

2142
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:50,320
Who's not Oping anymore at
Moladoy?

2143
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,360
Who is just incredible right
now, Yeah.

2144
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:54,960
Yeah, yeah.
Like just off eye test, like off

2145
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,200
paper tests, like obviously that
would be really.

2146
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,640
There's just so many things to
say about this team, a lot of

2147
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:03,600
which we've said already and a
lot of which we're going to

2148
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,840
continue to say in other
content, wink, wink, hint, hint,

2149
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,840
and all those other things.
Subscribe to the channel if you

2150
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:12,440
want to know about that.
Do that.

2151
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,120
Do that.
I'll just add.

2152
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:19,360
Fury Yeah, Go on.
If you think about RT had sort

2153
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,520
of the best structure, best
system of the Fury.

2154
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:24,160
I've taken that and polished it
up.

2155
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:26,600
Tighten the.
Screws this this is what I was

2156
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,760
going to say.
They took the system, they put

2157
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,520
more owners back on the ORP,
Which?

2158
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:34,040
Good word by the way.
Being meta.

2159
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:37,360
Thanks mate, I think it will be
a meta defining thing.

2160
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:44,120
I really do where I think next
year, and it will be to Falcons

2161
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:48,160
benefit, we will see people orp
more and more.

2162
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:52,360
We will we will even see Zaibu
orp more because Moladoy has

2163
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:57,600
proven that even when he comes
out of the game 14 and 14, those

2164
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:01,560
14 kills tend to have such high
impact.

2165
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:03,560
Every single fucking one of
them.

2166
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:08,200
And that's yes, it's because
Moladoy is very good, but it's

2167
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:13,960
because the eye test of his
playstyle looks better than the

2168
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:16,600
stats do.
It's why Elliot thought he has a

2169
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:20,040
1.26 rate.
In past three months, it's 1.16.

2170
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:26,360
1.131. .16 maybe 1.11.16 I
think, which in the HLTV rating

2171
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:29,120
.1 is a massive fucking
difference.

2172
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:34,320
But it's because Furia enable
him to look very good.

2173
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,040
The system makes him look very
good.

2174
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:40,520
Fallen is in a better place in
their system than Apex is, and

2175
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:43,400
they also just have the
firepower to bat with.

2176
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:47,240
Every one of their players can
go against any one of their

2177
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:49,480
opposite numbers on any team in
the world.

2178
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:55,800
They're just a very fucking good
team, and form probably is

2179
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,840
helping them.
Of course, it always does with

2180
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,880
the best teams in the world, but
they actually have stopping

2181
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,720
power.
As long as Fallen doesn't

2182
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:09,120
retire, this is a team that can
stick around at the top and keep

2183
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:14,040
this a.
Closing question, yes, if they

2184
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:18,080
were in the major.
Is that the right time?

2185
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:19,920
Before the step back or do you
think?

2186
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:20,600
You should.
You should.

2187
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:22,200
Stick around for another six
months.

2188
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,160
No, you.
Stick around for further I I

2189
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:29,040
want him to but I just do think
that going out.

2190
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:32,440
On your own terms.
On a high is glamorous and cool

2191
02:00:32,440 --> 02:00:37,000
opposed to doing a Carrigan.
And you know what the odd thing

2192
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:38,880
is?
He tried to go out on his own

2193
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,200
terms, right?
That was the multiple last.

2194
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:44,240
Dances.
Yeah, multiple last dances, the

2195
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:48,000
MIBR, Last dance 2.
Degree, then the Imperial

2196
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,760
actual.
Last dance and now he's on fear,

2197
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:57,240
so judging by his previous set,
he's not going until he's damn

2198
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:59,960
well ready to go.
I think there's a healthy middle

2199
02:00:59,960 --> 02:01:02,840
ground, right?
But he also may learn he's older

2200
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:06,560
than he was every other time.
Right, there's a really healthy

2201
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:07,840
middle.
Ground, especially in Counter

2202
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:09,600
Strike, where it's not like
football.

2203
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:12,040
Where?
Every four years you get a World

2204
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:16,840
Cup and you can look at it and
be like, OK, 2026 World Cup.

2205
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:18,120
That's, that's it for me.
I'm doing that.

2206
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:23,080
And, and if you're part of a
competitive nation, you know,

2207
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:26,720
you're Italy's the Spain's,
Germany's whoever of the world,

2208
02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:29,560
you can you can sit down in the
dressing room and say, look,

2209
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:32,000
guys, this is it for me.
This is my last one.

2210
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,440
Like, I'll.
It'd be wicked to go out on a

2211
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:35,880
bang.
And maybe that motivates

2212
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:37,120
everyone.
Maybe that inspires everyone

2213
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:39,000
where they look at you and
you're like, OK, you're this guy

2214
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,080
with 100 caps.
You're one of the greatest

2215
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:42,280
players in the history of this
nation.

2216
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,200
We're gonna we're gonna come
together and give you give you

2217
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:47,880
the story to go out on.
Counter Strike has a tournament

2218
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:49,480
every week.
Yeah.

2219
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:51,200
Well, OK, I agree with you
there.

2220
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:55,280
But a lot of my thought process
here is the next major is the.

2221
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:59,760
IEM Cologne major, right, but
there's also this right that

2222
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:03,960
would make fall in a three time
Cologne winner and when?

2223
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:05,520
He a three time Cologne winner,
he.

2224
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,560
Could go out trying to like the
Cologne major winner as well

2225
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:10,280
like that's.
Like Cologne.

2226
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:12,680
Plus the major in one thing
that's the closest.

2227
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:14,760
You're going to get to a World
Cup and.

2228
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,760
And also like disregarding the
fact that the E Sports World Cup

2229
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,400
is a thing, I was going to say,
do you not?

2230
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:20,520
Do you not like the E sports
world?

2231
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:22,560
Cup we also got the E.
Sports World Cup coming up as

2232
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:25,640
well, but Cologne.
Next year.

2233
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:31,280
Is going to be.
The best major of all time on

2234
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:34,160
paper, I think I I just think
the the, the stakes will.

2235
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:37,520
Be so stupidly high, but.
Because of that, I think that

2236
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:40,760
Fallen wants to stick around to
try and win the Cologne made I'd

2237
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:42,880
love it the second.
Like that I love it.

2238
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:44,600
I would love it so much of the
aisle.

2239
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:48,520
I just my point though was was
going to be is that I just.

2240
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:51,760
Think going out on a high.
Means a different thing in

2241
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:53,240
Counter Strike.
That's solid.

2242
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:55,800
Yeah.
I don't think I but I think

2243
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:58,600
that's lifting a trophy.
I think especially when you.

2244
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,960
Consider the last three.
Years of Fallen's group.

2245
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:04,360
Being dog shit.
Ride this fucking wave brother,

2246
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:08,320
like I'm still going to be good
in six months, so ride it and

2247
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,560
see how many fucking tournaments
you can win in that time If.

2248
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:11,560
That's it then.
That's.

2249
02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:14,040
It yeah, but I mean right, I
mean right until we're until

2250
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:16,720
we're at so gas or till the
brakes till the wheels fall off

2251
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,320
like where do you I think it's.
Wheels fall off, It's you're.

2252
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:23,520
I think if you're falling, you
just keep fucking playing.

2253
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:29,160
Because I think that the the
other fallen bit of this all is

2254
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:33,480
that like falling is still
considered the guy in Brazil,

2255
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,880
like it doesn't really matter
and he should be globally again,

2256
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:40,760
like we spoke about this before,
but I don't think.

2257
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:42,520
He will ever get enough credit
for how?

2258
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:43,640
How?
No, no, I think.

2259
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,040
Well, I think.
That fall like the.

2260
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:49,080
Next era of fallen is I'm going
to.

2261
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:54,120
Go play on shitter Brazilian
teams and I am just going to

2262
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,760
teach the next generation of
Brazil, which is Oh no, he's not

2263
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,840
doing that.
There's there's not a fucking

2264
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:00,920
chance to do it.
He already has fucking like 15

2265
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:02,440
schools and.
Shit teaching.

2266
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:05,360
He'll maybe coach, but yeah,
he'll probably do like some.

2267
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:08,080
Admin position.
If anything, he won't be on a

2268
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:11,560
team.
But Jackie is right, Like no one

2269
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:15,800
will ever appreciate Fallen's
influence on Brazil.

2270
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:18,560
Yes, in some ways he might have
hurt, you know, players like

2271
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:21,200
Woody thought they could fucking
up because of Fallen.

2272
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:25,080
But there is a player with the
semi final.

2273
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,960
There is a player who was in the
semi final of the last major

2274
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,640
whose first monitor was bought
for him by Fallen.

2275
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:34,880
Like, that's snow, by the way,
for those wondering.

2276
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:35,360
Thank you.
Yeah.

2277
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:37,040
Yeah, Thank you.
The the guy.

2278
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:39,160
Is.
He's not.

2279
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:40,840
But he's not just Brazil.
He.

2280
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:44,080
He.
Is he he is up there with?

2281
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:48,280
You'll get rights and and.
People like that as just.

2282
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:50,440
Like Mr. Counter Strike, I'm
not.

2283
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:52,880
He's not just just.
Performance and results he's

2284
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:56,920
just he's a meta defining player
as well and also just a meta

2285
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,200
defining human.
He's just upset again, like,

2286
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:01,720
yeah, yeah, I, I.
I hate sometimes when we when we

2287
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:03,240
bring in personality.
Votes because I don't think

2288
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:06,360
that's fair to the audience, but
the way Fallen seems on

2289
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:08,800
interviews on a broadcast, he is
like that all the time.

2290
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:15,240
He is an absolute gem of a man.
So all success is deserved and I

2291
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:18,200
hope he gets infinitely more of
it until he's started to have

2292
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:20,600
enough.
Hey Fawn, when you retire, come

2293
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,200
on please.
Come on, I'll try to play this

2294
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:24,760
too hard.
That'll.

2295
02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:26,440
Be good though.
Good episode we'll have to get.

2296
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:29,960
That'll be a good episode.
Alright, Speaking of, this was a

2297
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:32,600
good episode.
This was a good episode and we

2298
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:35,440
are we are done for the.
Episode.

2299
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:38,600
I don't know if I'll be back.
The next couple of weeks, but I

2300
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:41,480
will be watching the major so
you'll at least hear anecdotes

2301
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:43,880
from me on Twitter, which is
where you can find the rest of

2302
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:46,080
us.
At Animo CS with some numbers in

2303
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,880
there.
At Nova Design with an under

2304
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:50,840
score at the end.
No under score, no under score

2305
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,480
at Logan.
Around half on Twitter cuz he's

2306
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:56,680
a dickhead and at read.
TLDR.

2307
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:58,840
All the links are down below in
the description.

2308
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:01,560
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Week it'll be a mystery if

2309
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:05,720
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2310
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,320
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2311
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:10,320
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2312
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,440
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2313
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:47,640
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