"Spirit are the best team in the world", gla1ve WILL IGL 100 Thieves, and should Liquid bench Siuhy?

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The major is taking a break for
a few days, but we're still

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going on.
But with the Ashes just going

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horribly, football not starting
until the evening and the Major

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not on until Thursday, what are
you guys doing in the middle of

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the day to get on to get through
the day because I'm struggling.

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Well, I'm certainly not
watching.

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The I've got jobs.
Well, you're fortunate because

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it's being, it's been fucking
horrible.

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It's been awful.
I've got, I've got, I've got

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work to do, but.
Yeah, we've.

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All got work to do.
Also.

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Have a job?
Wow.

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I mean, I've got a lot, lots of
flat pack furniture.

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I've been, I've been about, I've
been about.

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I went down to London.
I'm flying to Budapest tomorrow,

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which is yesterday if you're
watching this on Wednesday.

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Bro I think she's George Ezra.
So that's fun is.

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That his name.
George Ezra.

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He's a twat, isn't he?
Is.

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Budapest.
Budapest is kind of kind of an

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anthem though, I can't lie.
Would we have described it as a

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gigabanger in Abu Dhabi?
Don't know about Gigabanger but

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it's definitely a banger.
All right, cool.

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What are what are what are you
doing then?

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Ellie, I feel like you might
have had something interesting

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if you were asking us.
Oh, I was, I was kind of looking

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for advice.
To be honest.

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I'm I'm struggling to get
through the days at the moment.

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Just waiting for.
Waiting for.

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You do have a child.
You could look after your child

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maybe?
Yeah, he's, you know, that's a

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lot of effort though, and it's
he also, he has a lot of

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sleeping to do.
So what do I do in the meantime?

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We went a little earlier and he
just fell asleep when we got

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there.
So I was like, well, we took him

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there to tire him out and so
he's.

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Also like, he's also a Blues fan
so there's only like so much you

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can do to help him.
Roll the intro.

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These guys wanted to talk about
Fozy for some reason.

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So have the floor.
What do you want?

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What do you want to say about
Fozy?

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He's he's joined 9.
He's my good mate.

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What?
What?

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Why am I supposed to wait?
Wait, Give me the pitch.

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Do you have the same tattoo as
him?

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Yeah, Yeah, we have.
A really.

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Wow, that's amazing.
That's so.

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Fuzzy and spray XD what a combo
if.

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Humans, I thought, doesn't
Freddie have?

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Didn't Freddie have?
It Freddie.

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Freddie's too scared.
Freddie didn't do it.

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It's Freddie's fault, but that's
not important.

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What is important is that Fuzzy
has rejoined the line after

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going back to Wild Card for a
bit and that whole thing

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exploding.
And I'll be honest, I'm a little

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disappointed.
I think he could have done

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better than this team.
It's a very whelming move isn't

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it?
Because on one hand, on one hand

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I'm quite happy for the bloke.
Like he seemed to quite like his

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time on 9 and he was quite
disappointing when he had to go

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back to Wild Card.
I mean, who wouldn't be?

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Like if you're not getting
Amaranth Slowly fans for free,

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which probably isn't good
anyway, there's no point fucking

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being there.
I was about to say she wasn't

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even.
Nobody went back.

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So it's really there's nothing.
Oh, there's really no point.

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Like if you're not even getting
tits.

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Like come on.
But so, OK, cool, all right,

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we're doing that again.
But it is disappointing really,

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because you think about the
amount of shit offers in tier

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one, which by the way, if you do
like last 12 months, top 20 LAN

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filters on HLTV.
And you just look at Foosie

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compared to, and yes, it's
smaller sample size compared to

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like Ultimate Device, Woxy,
Brokie, all these, but Foosie's

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just as good as any of them.
So none of these teams think,

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oh, maybe we can, maybe we can
give him a shot.

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Maybe he's already paid his dues
on crap teams.

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But really I I I don't get why
he's fucking 9.

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You think he he's stepped up
above that level right?

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Perfecto is of course the
Perfecto fit for wild cards team

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that has no players right now
except for Is it peeping?

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Yeah, I believe peeping.
For that freak, he's probably

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lovely.
I don't know why I'd call him

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that.
Yeah, just as a really.

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There's a drought of talented
authors right now, isn't there

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really?
You've got like 3 who are really

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good and then a bunch that are
kind of not that good at.

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All the The thing is.
I think I have.

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I think I said there was 5 that
were good in the in deep dive

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that's coming out today as
you're listening.

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I think I said there's five that
are good.

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I'm not sure.
I'm not sure it's as much as a

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drought of talented authors and
more that there's four or five

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who are really good, that it
makes the restaurant look

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terrible.
And it's actually more the fact

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that Orping in CS2, it's just
kind of really fucking hard.

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Like it's still MR12 rifling is
still really strong compared to

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Go, and what's really the point
in putting that much emphasis on

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your rope unless you've got one
of these special talents?

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It's true.
And I think that's probably the.

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Reason I'm modeled.
Modeled gets the OPS so much

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right because like they're kind
of building around his

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performances.
Do you want to talk about this

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this nine team?
Because when he joined the the

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first time, like they actually
went on a pretty good run.

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I think they like didn't drop
him out for like maybe most of

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the time he was there.
They were like really solid.

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Can I be honest, Jack?
You don't care.

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The team list is on the screen.
I don't want to talk about him

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as much as I I wanted to use the
mention of of Fuzzy to to segue

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to, you know, like I said with
liquid phase, all all these

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teams that have crap Opas, why
haven't 100 thieves signed

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Fuzzy?
Well, this is the thing I I it

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seems like it makes sense,
right?

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Like like he's proves that he's
pretty decent at 21 like he's

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serviceable.
They actually don't have a team

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yet.
The rumor is also on the game

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region call.
Game region don't have a good

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open so you wouldn't.
Yeah, they're not signing Hypex.

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You'd have your buddy up, not
right.

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So yeah, you probably need the
anoopa.

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Yeah.
I don't really get it to be

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honest.
But anyway, Elliot, they are 100

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feet shining.
Glaive as the coach and maybe

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he's going to bring device with
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Maybe that's the the grand plan
here like that.

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That's that's kind of what I'm
not divided, but what I'm

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thinking is like with Rain and
Glaive, like you've got big

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names and they think like they
can probably tempt somebody

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bigger and better than fozy,
maybe not better, but like a

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bigger.
Name I don't I don't think a new

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coach in a new IGL is that
tantalizing at all.

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You have no idea how the system
of the team is going.

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To go.
I agree.

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I'm not sure 100 thieves though.
I think it's probably probably

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reasonable, but I think I
probably imagine that that Rain

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and Glaive both have a lot of
say in the roster they're

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getting right.
I think they're kind of heavily

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involved in that, I would
assume.

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I mean he's hoped so, but like
it does feel like if Rust is

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going to be fucking cursed.
Yeah, I mean.

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I mean, I think will be a good
coach.

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I just yeah, like, like can the
major hurry up so we can figure

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out finally get this this team
done because I'm I just.

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They're just ending.
Us with with the fact that they

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might.
Be in the game you want the

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major to end quicker so we can
find out who's on 100.

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That's the the strangest set of
priorities that have ever been.

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Going on for so long, this this,
this roster has lasted longer

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than the major has and we only
have one player.

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Yeah, I wanted.
To conclude, so I can decide if

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I like the team or not.
I kind of feel like by March

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we'll see Glavis the ideal of
the team.

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I put that in the poll on the
newsletter while you're away.

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I'm glad you like that idea.
I don't know if.

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You saw that idea, but yeah,
yeah, but yeah, he definitely

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will.
He definitely will be IG elling

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by that part.
He just absolutely will be the

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the.
Thing I did go on.

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The thing that I just don't
really get, and when I went on

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Snake and Banter last week,
Thorin spoke about this as well.

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It's like.
Plug.

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Why is Glee fucking how?
How old is he Elliot?

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Is he furth?
Can you just ertie, it says on

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HL says it's right there.
Yeah, I hadn't read it.

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Like at 30, why is Grave
retiring to become a coach?

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Like, I know he's got kids and
whatever, but if he's going to

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coach A-Team then it doesn't
make a difference as to whether

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he's coaching or fucking playing
as to how much time he's going

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to have to commit to the team.
It do people really not believe

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in his systems that much?
I mean, Snappy's what, 35?

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Carrigan's 35 Apex is 3334
majors.

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Fucking 92.
Like there's a ton.

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Of these 34 as well I.
Think yeah, there's a ton of

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these Igls that are really old.
Does Glaive really not have

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anything left in the tank in
terms of the system in game?

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So no.
But if that's the case.

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But if that's the case, how is
he going to be a good coach?

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If people don't believe in his
system that much in the server,

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what's he going to offer as a
coach?

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I think if he can't be fucked to
do it in the server, what is he

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going to offer as a coach?
I think it's more maintaining

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the level to to play at tier
one, right?

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Like obviously he was very good
on a shot.

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It's like no without doubt.
But like I think he was the

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highest rated on ants in his
last game.

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Quote me if I'm wrong.
I think I didn't write about.

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That I believe he was.
He was in the first game, last

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game.
But he wasn't very good on ants,

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like as an individual, right?
Like I know there's, I know

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there's nephew or that that.
Friend, which was always his

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selling, always his.
Unique.

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Yeah, he was a good idea and
also had hands, right?

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Like.
Yeah, yeah.

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But.
If when there's, when there's.

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Kicks hands in the.
World like, he's not competing

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with that, is he?
But if glave can then you know,

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decide like oh instead of
playing Khan and and outside

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I'll play maybe fucking floor
and and being be anchor on

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Mirage.
Like I don't see when he had a

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nought .95 in 2025 nought .92 in
2024.

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He's not terrible.
No, he's.

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Not that's fine for an IGO like,
especially if he goes into the

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the worst roles and.
But I do wonder if if he wants

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like like he feels like because
he's not as good as he was, it

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like really effects him.
I I, I wouldn't if that like he

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actually sort of because he was
always kind of a star on

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Australis.
Like he now he's struggling to

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call from the worst roles.
He still wants to play those

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roles and he can't.
And maybe he just doesn't.

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He's just fallen out of love
with the game.

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Like it could just be as I guess
he wouldn't be a coach but like.

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Then again, why is he coach?
But.

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But maybe he doesn't want to
like grind the game as opposed

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like he doesn't want to be sat.
At 2:00 AM and like the the

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grinding nature, like what nip
had to do right, like I know I

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don't think 100 thieves are
going to build a brand new

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roster, right, but like that's
that's a lot of going to shit to

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your events and beating teams
that are like, you know, just

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like.
Which he's going to have to do

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either way as the coach.
Yes, but as a coach, he's not.

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The schedule will be the.
Same.

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Them doing well, there's not
about that I'm not about.

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Like, but it's not because you
have to put in more hours as a

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player outside of outside.
Of the schedule, which we all

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know most players don't do.
But I bet Glaive does.

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I bet Glaive did probably.
I know being a coach does take

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that pressure off me.
It does.

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Like he doesn't have to be in
tip top shape as a player all

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the time.
He doesn't have to be in death

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match 4 hours a day.
It is a different pressure.

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I understand what you're saying
is like he still has to go to

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all the games, he'll have to run
practice.

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He still has all these like
responsibilities.

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But I think his day probably
ends before the players.

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Pug and DM after after practice
stuff.

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Yeah I I put a tweet out that
said 100 thieves will be Reign,

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the Gilligan Corps and Brocchi.
Do you have any?

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I can see it.
I can see Abner.

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Do we do we think that?
I wanted brokey on gamer legion.

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I will say that I feel.
Has Rangers lost faith in in the

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Corrigan?
I feel very, very sorry, very,

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very sorry for PR if that is the
case.

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Brokey's been all right since
yesterday.

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He was good yesterday, no?
Brokey is shit.

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He is just crap.
Yeah, I don't know what happened

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with him, man.
Like I feel like killed.

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Him I'm blaming.
I I want him to be good so I'm

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blaming.
If you can get him to try again,

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I feel like he'll be ready.
Like I just, he's asked to be.

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On your point about the age,
well, quite on your point about

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the age of RGLS.
I had a conversation with a

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friend of mine who hasn't
followed the game in like 6

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years the other day and I was
like, yeah, Fallen's going to

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win a major.
And he was like he said, he said

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has there been any new Igls in
the last five years?

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And I looked through the list
and I was like, well, there's

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Kicksat and there's Blitz, but
like Fallen Apex, Carrigan I.

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Mean Apex Apex is a new IGL in
the last 6.

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Years, yeah, sure, but but it's
like, you know, there hasn't

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been like completely new blood
in terms of like how they say

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Kicksand is kind of the new.
One chopper's a new one chopper

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in the last six years.
Yeah, but he was always a

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player, right is what I mean.
He's not been.

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Like I feel.
Like he's been around pure IGL.

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Who's come up?
He wasn't I gelling on Vegas

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going to Jr. was, hasn't it?
You're right.

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Oh my God.
Yeah, yeah, he he has.

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He came in.
I actually don't know when

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Chopper started I gelling, but
the list is actually it's longer

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than you think because it's apex
kicksand Brolan Chewy Chopper

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Chewy.
Should we?

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I, I would count it because he's
like a pure IGL who's come

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through.
I, I, I don't know how well I'm

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being recorded here, really.
All of those have transitioned

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from being a player into an IGL
like a player who was playing

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five years ago.
There's been very few pure Igls

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who've come through in the last
few years.

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Well, yeah, but most players.
It's not the way you

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breakthrough right?
Most players in the age of like.

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No, they don't do that.
No, they don't do that now,

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which is kind of because like.
Siri wasn't an RGL before Mao

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Senex 2.
He was a star player as he was

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talking about the.
RGL like you don't.

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Break.
Yeah, fine.

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You don't get scouted, you don't
get you don't get put on scout,

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you know, on team lists and
stuff at tier 3 and Academy

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teams and face it like FPL and
stuff by being a good RGL right

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like.
Yeah.

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Do you know who has broke for
him in the last six years?

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And he's kind of funny because
of his age.

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Hook See.
Yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think in I.

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Think in terms though.
Just not a very good one.

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Yeah, probably, I think in terms
of out and out Igls.

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There aren't that many that
existing, or like the ones that

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do tend to be the only one.
Yeah, prison, but he still

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hasn't really broke through to
Tier 1, albeit I think he could

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and probably should have done by
now.

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Like I think he's quite clearly
one of the better prospects in

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tier.
Two Well, next year's his

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breakout in it because he's gone
to a heroic team.

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That's what, 14 from vRS?
16 vRS.

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They'll be audience won't there?
They'll get plenty of invites.

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The TRS suppose as well on game
leader they they do exist.

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There's the right who who like
became an ideal necessity.

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Yeah, it it was just like I was
able to say to him like, Oh

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yeah, no, the top, like the top
five I get.

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I wasn't counting Mongols.
I was like the top five teams, a

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fallen Chopper, Brolan, Apex and
Kicksand and Kicksand's the only

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one you don't know and you
haven't followed the game for

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six years.
I just thought it was

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interesting because you were
talking about how like the age

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of Igls.
It's like it's in the 30s now,

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like.
But that is also like, and it's

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something that you're seeing
across every E sport where

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players are starting to have
longer careers now well.

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To be fair, like they couldn't
really have longer careers from

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the game so young like right?
True, but.

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Obviously people like get right
in forest because the game moved

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on so quickly.
They they were, they essentially

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were like they were outdated by
the time the game got on.

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So there's there's that element
to it, but I I think that's

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enough.
To get right in forest.

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Yeah, good, good segue.
So you can get right in forest.

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The new get right is out of NIP,
you jerks.

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He's he's out of nip.
Apparently this is.

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Sorry, I think this is.
Just not what I said last week.

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Can you explain the new get
right please I.

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Just bottom fragging on Nip.
Right.

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OK, cool.
I just wanted to know you.

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Don't piss me off.
I just wanted to know your link.

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I'm I'm fine with it.
I'm fine with it.

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Yeah, yeah, Bottom fragging on
Nip Jack, the reason they bombed

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out the the reason they bombed
out of the major.

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Wait, wait, Elliot, check his
headshot percentage.

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Oh, am I going to?
Do I have to rate him?

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How do I even find it anymore?
Scroll down. 5151. 51% That's

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low enough.
That is low enough.

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Goodbye, get right too.
And should we have a look at get

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rights?
Ah, it's got to be 25.

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There won't be that.
What the?

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Fuck, this is.
You got his retirement profile

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now, so it's all.
Yeah, 49.3 under half.

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I mean, I feel like it's not
even that low.

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It's not even that low, but it's
just like if you're, if you're

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famous for spray control, it
means you can't aim.

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That's all I'm saying.
There's.

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Something I'm trying to say
though, he's obviously he's that

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good that even without having
good aim he was still one of the

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best place of all time.
No, he wasn't one of the best

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players of all time.
He's one of the best players.

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He was like one of the best
players in 2013.

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He.
He's like, he's like how Pele

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he's.
The best player in the world

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Twice.
Yeah, but he's like, how Pele?

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Ronaldo is really good in Saudi
Arabia, so yeah.

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Because you're playing a game.
So actual like dentists?

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No, no.
No, because that because that's

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like modern era Ronaldo has
being a Pele never got pressed

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once in his life but imagine.
I, I, I will.

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I will concede to say that.
Prime clock.

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If all your kills are just from
walking behind people, it

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probably is beneficial, yeah.
Yeah, they haven't invented.

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What?
Forget that lurking is a thing

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every round.
Yeah, he he, he invented lurking

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him and happy, yeah.
Yeah.

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You invented baiting.
Well done.

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I'm Uja Uja.
Awesome player.

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Definitely, yeah.
Definitely probably made sense.

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They're after a Khan Karen from
from Inner Circle who's like

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pretty pretty good.
I just wanted them to get tesses

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instead, but obviously.
OK, but here's here's the thing,

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right?
I know we all really like

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Tesses.
Yeah, yeah, put that on the

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counter.
We all really like Tesses but

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and and granted this is at like
dug tier level, but actually

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Elliot if you just put on last
12 months top 20 LAN whatever.

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That's the top 30.
Yeah, he's on in a circle.

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No, no, I think they played some
top 20 games.

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I don't know how many.
Yeah, 18 maps felt like that's,

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well, I mean, it's a, it's
pretty decent, but that's the

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top 30 because it's 45 maps,
it's a little bit.

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Yeah, so 1.13 last 12 months
against top 30 Tessa, who's

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having to play very well to get
those stats and like they need

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another star.
And then IP Tessus is not a

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star.
This is the constant battle that

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we've been having all year on
this podcast, where I constantly

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have to remind you all that
Tessus is not a star player.

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Oh.
I'm so clever.

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And he should.
He's not, and he shouldn't be.

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He's got a team with Nico,
Amonisey and Kaosuke.

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He's not meant to be.
No, but at the start of the year

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he was meant to be and he wasn't
doing it.

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He was having some big games,
sure, but his rating was crap.

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Preposterous.
He was overrated just.

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Me.
It's just me.

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This guy kind of look like
eminent.

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He kind of looks like a like a
West Ham giga racist football.

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Who Megan, I quite like it.
I quite like it.

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I'm big fan but anyway but.
He he doesn't like M&M.

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He does, actually.
M&M he does the the point is,

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though, is that like you jokes
wasn't the star that Nick

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needed.
That became clear.

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And if you were looking, if if
you didn't fully believe in the

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NIP team and you were like, OK,
they need one more player, well,

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wrinkle just made a couple of
bad decisions.

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He was actually relatively
solid.

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So if you just you have to look
at you jerks and then when you

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look at Ken Khan, how, how do we
can we decide?

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I'm saying Ken.
I'm saying Ken because it's like

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Kenny, like Tom Kenny.
Right.

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If you look at, if you look at
Ken's stats, they're pretty

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good.
They are.

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Pretty good, like he's
definitely going to improve the

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team.
Absolutely.

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He probably is the change that
Nip need and probably a couple

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of other teams.
So I think this will be another

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Yeah, he does look like Eminem.
It's the same same guy.

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I think this will just be
another move like Kaspersky

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where it's like, all right, this
is your this is your level up

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move.
And I think Nip guaranteed top

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ten team next year.
Guaranteed.

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Anything that backs the NIPI
agree.

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With I mean, I'm on board yeah,
I like I've always liked this

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Nipi think wrinkle is actually
like probably a top 10 orpa,

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right, like no, at least
possibly could be.

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No, it could be, but he has to
like learn to like take his like

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hands off his mouse and keyboard
in late round situations.

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So why is he just some but?
Again, this is also what we

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spoke about, like with
experience and reps and he kind

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of important games and shit,
right?

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Like you'd probably make less
mistakes because this is also a

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thing like Nip could have been
in stage 3 if they didn't,

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probably should have made silly
mistakes.

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Yeah, they absolutely yeah.
And they definitely should have

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been, I think the game they
lost.

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So yeah, no more Portuguese
people on Nip.

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We can rejoice.
Maybe NIP will be in stage three

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of the second major of 2026,
which is in Singapore and run by

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PGLI.
Sam don't say it.

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We all know will be run by PGL
in Singapore.

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No, I don't care.
No Elliot run by.

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Elliot.
Elliot.

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00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,840
Run by Fania GL in Singapore.
They've fucking got me, mate,

446
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,560
They've got me.
I really want to go.

447
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,680
Singapore major sounds wicked.
They've got me.

448
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,680
Can you go to an event without a
press manager?

449
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,480
Well, who knows if PJ would even
give me a press pass at this

450
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,080
point, but.
We're we're we're on that run

451
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,720
persona on graph list, I think.
Yeah, but Singapore does sound

452
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,920
good, don't it?
Well, it's also for me, it's,

453
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,080
you know, my, my wife from the
Philippines.

454
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,240
So it's close enough to
Singapore that I can probably

455
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,440
convince her.
So hey, you just go to

456
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,400
Philippines for a week.
I'll go to Singapore.

457
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,160
It'll be all right.
You would you would be apart for

458
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,880
a week.
Don't kid.

459
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:51,240
I'm going to have to majors.
Anyway, another major It's good.

460
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,280
It is.
PGL hosting better than starter

461
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,760
is what I'll.
Say somebody's going to do it.

462
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,960
Yeah.
I'm I'm not willing to host in

463
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,960
my house, so I'm glad somebody's
willing to host it.

464
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,880
I I will say though, I was
hoping it would be a little

465
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,040
while longer for another Asian
major.

466
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,800
I think that.
There are the.

467
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,320
The viewership that they get
from being in that time zone

468
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,120
though, and also like the
sponsor revenue stuff is, is too

469
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,880
good to ignore, right?
Well, I think it's the.

470
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,720
Reason also want to be in that
audience.

471
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,640
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

472
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,080
I get why they're.
Doing it perfectly this time,

473
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,920
but.
But like A12K capacity stadium,

474
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,040
like that's oh, indoor stadium.
So an arena then is what it's

475
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,720
called.
It's quite small really.

476
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,920
It is small, I think the one for
Budapest IS20K.

477
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,920
Yes, which I'm we'll be short of
this sell out because the Lanxus

478
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,120
isn't that big.
I think the Lanxus is is maybe

479
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,800
18K like about when it when it's
ACS event.

480
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,160
Depends on the layout and stuff
right?

481
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840
But it's it's reasonably small
I'd say for stadium.

482
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,280
Yeah, it's it's 20.
Ki looked.

483
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,680
Yeah, I don't know, but yeah,
quite exciting for it.

484
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,720
I will say now, I think that
means that Blast will have a

485
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,440
2027 major because it just kind
of makes sense that they should.

486
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,840
I know nothing about whether
that is true or not, but I'd

487
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:26,880
guess Blast and then like I mean
ESL should always get a major,

488
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,280
probably because they're ESL,
but maybe Fisher take one.

489
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,000
Eventually, maybe we can't be.
We can't be giving.

490
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,080
We can't be giving majors out of
Fisher.

491
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,200
I don't care.
That's everyone out to fucking

492
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800
style.
Yeah, well, that was tinfoil as

493
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,240
well.
The Fisher events have been

494
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,400
quite good.
Yeah, but I just.

495
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Make fucking Ty lue on one of
them.

496
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320
With the coach.
If that, if that doesn't tell

497
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,400
you, that's in part, I don't
know what will.

498
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,680
Now, like it's, it's nothing
against Fisher.

499
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,720
It's just like the Fisher major
just doesn't sound right.

500
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,680
Starlander at least sounds
grand.

501
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,880
It's obviously not, but it's
sounds grand.

502
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,480
The four future sports.
What a major Why don't we give

503
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,600
Relog Media a major?
Come on.

504
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,320
Don't they run Fisher?
I'm pretty sure they run they

505
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,680
run it.
Oh fuck yeah.

506
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,280
See, it's tin pot.
Really.

507
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,880
Tin will run everything, Yeah, I
mean.

508
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Like the Illuminati?
The thing is, sorry, here's the

509
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,880
thing.
And actually the majors this far

510
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,280
in advance is isn't that
exciting.

511
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,040
Like I would rather the majors
get announced like at the end of

512
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,560
the conclusion of the previous
major.

513
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,920
No, no, no, but like.
It's scramble to get.

514
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,720
Flights, I know, I know you have
to do it because of the the vRS

515
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,880
stuff and now, but like, I think
it'd be really cool if like

516
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,120
major ends and then the next
year is like, hey, we're going

517
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,560
here now.
Like it makes it a bit more of

518
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,560
an interesting thing to be like,
oh, where's the next major?

519
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,080
The team in random major should
get to pick where it is.

520
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,200
Based a random fucking
completely impossible, but based

521
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,520
a random yeah, yeah, yeah,
weekday.

522
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Of course it's and an article
gets leaked on Reddit midway

523
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,720
through a major that's not even
the major before, but the major

524
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,680
before that one.
It's kind of.

525
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,520
It is very petty. e.g.
Li feel like.

526
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,800
I feel like they've done it.
Let's leak where they've.

527
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,600
Made it's major articles don't
get leaked like you've you've

528
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,120
made access for someone to to
organic traffic to discover it

529
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,600
or whatever right.
Like it's like get rid of

530
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,760
marketing like it's fine.
But yeah, I just I hope it's a

531
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,640
good event.
Maybe I'll go, maybe I'll have

532
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,560
money, maybe someone, maybe
someone will sponsor the podcast

533
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,720
and pay to send us there.
Yeah, we'll all.

534
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Please, we'll all go and we'll
do a podcast in Singapore.

535
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Yeah, we'll do like the the HLTV
confirmed pre show where for 20

536
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,640
minutes we just talk about HLTV.
Being shit everyone.

537
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,800
Else's.
Yes.

538
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,800
It'd just be great, like just
warm the crowd up for Striker.

539
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,400
Yes.
Well, if we you know how like

540
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,480
bands have have have like
opening bands, we'll be the

541
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,480
opening band for HSTV confirmed.
They would not sign off on that

542
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,200
at all.
I'd love.

543
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,280
It I know they they don't do,
I'm going to book the room.

544
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Out a bus finger.
For them or I would just do the

545
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,520
do the is it the Ja Rule thing
where you book the entire like

546
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,520
book every ticket by all the
streets.

547
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Just be the every person in the
crowd and just do it every time

548
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,720
on Inferno Grocery in the crowd.
Prof ain't going to stop us.

549
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,200
He'd quite.
No, he doesn't.

550
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,240
I reckon he'd enjoy it.
Yeah, the the rest of the Buddy

551
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,160
Busybodies.
He's he's the edgiest one.

552
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,560
Anyway, I feel like we're
getting, we're getting far off

553
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,840
topic.
Let's take a bit of a break,

554
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,720
refocus, and come back with some
major stuff.

555
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,640
So Jack, do you find it hard to
keep up with all the news and

556
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,120
counter strike?
I do.

557
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,760
I took a weekend off and I came
back to six new IGL's, 3

558
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,680
retirements and apparently
Malby's Waterfall got picked up

559
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,760
by a top 20 team.
Right, that's why I've been

560
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,520
relying on the TLDR newsletter.
It's a biweekly e-mail that

561
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,560
keeps you up to speed on
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562
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,320
needing scroll.
Read it for three hours while

563
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,200
questioning your life choices.
Yeah, it's like if HLDV had a

564
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920
baby with your funniest friend
who actually watches every game.

565
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,800
Yeah, quick hits of news, spicy
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566
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,720
schedules, and even some insider
gossip.

567
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,360
All killer, no filler.
And let's be honest, some of

568
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360
these tournament formats you
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569
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,240
who's playing who.
TLDR breaks it all down so you

570
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,640
actually know what the hell is
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571
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Plus, it's funny.
Like actually funny.

572
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,800
It's like reading a group chat
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573
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,000
everything insight but still
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574
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575
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,680
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576
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579
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,520
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It's not even knowing it

580
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,640
happened.
TLDR you don't have time to read

581
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,160
everything, you still want to
sound like you did.

582
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,720
And we're back in the room.
We've got a take of the week to

583
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,800
get us started and this will
lead us on to our first O 3 team

584
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,800
as we'll get into the The take
of the week is actually from

585
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,240
somebody replying to Thorin
rather than Thorin for a change.

586
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,440
Thorin says that he.
Don't call him somebody.

587
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,200
No very important figure in Tier
3 NaCl.

588
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,480
So absolute nobody responding to
Thorin.

589
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,480
Thorin said.
I love the passion you a have a

590
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,720
rotating veto so they can force
a decent veto against anyone but

591
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600
the elite teams.
Deep map pool to this entire run

592
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,560
is an advertisement for JT's
talent.

593
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,560
Which I don't disagree with, I
just don't like the use of the

594
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,320
word talent.
Was this before or after they

595
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,400
they pick Mirage into face?
What would you?

596
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,160
What do you mean you don't like?
You don't like the use of the

597
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600
word talent?
Well it sounds like JT is

598
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,160
talented stamina.
Response.

599
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,080
Oh, you're doing, you're doing
the agenda thing where you don't

600
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,320
actually know anything.
Right.

601
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,600
OK, got you.
No, I just think, I just think

602
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,080
JT is kind of bad, right?
Stamina response.

603
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040
I think the sky is red.
You could just be wrong like

604
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,080
that's fine.
Two things right face pick

605
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:27,080
mirage nice one Jack.
Also JT is not bad.

606
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,760
He's really not bad.
He's the the.

607
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Most bad.
There's nothing great either,

608
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,560
like just.
He should be on a much better

609
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,800
team than passion UA if it.
Yeah, I wouldn't wish being on

610
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Passion UA on my absolute worst
enemy.

611
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,520
So yes he should be on a better
team than Passion UA but like.

612
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,400
But what makes you think JT is
bad?

613
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,720
We're taking a pause to go
through this now.

614
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,440
This is sorry this is being
derailed.

615
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,880
The the the Reddit idiot
hivemind told him to.

616
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720
This is why he's the host, we're
the analysts.

617
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,760
No, I just don't think I've
never watched.

618
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,320
Which one of us is Charles?
Barkley bangs well, but I feel

619
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,680
like there's nothing else
passion, UA or complexity have

620
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,080
ever done has impressed me and
it's just like.

621
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080
Well, he's made numerous
complexity teams of absolute

622
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,760
turd players be pretty good at.
I don't.

623
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,880
Think they are absolute turd
players generally like.

624
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,240
This one, So JT this one with
Nick X.

625
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Nick X is good.
No, Nick X is awful.

626
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,440
I'll give you that Nick X is
terrible and the the one with 6E

627
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,480
on it was terrible.
As well.

628
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920
I mean even even Nicks has
improved massively.

629
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Under JT, yeah.
If you put anyone in it like

630
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,920
playing at this level, they will
eventually get.

631
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Better.
Oh shut up.

632
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040
How many players have gotten to
this level and then been awful

633
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,720
and disappeared?
Many.

634
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,160
You can't remember that like
disappeared.

635
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,840
Where's Chroman?
Chroman was fine.

636
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,880
Chroman.
For an event and then vanished.

637
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,600
Doesn't exist.
Yeah.

638
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Chroman was OK.
Oh I I but like grim floppy.

639
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,560
Holzerk was a pretty decent like
I don't think they massively

640
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,680
overachieved.
I think with that team, I think

641
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,360
that they were about where they
were supposed to.

642
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,440
But I think without JT they'd be
a lot lower than than where they

643
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,000
were.
Well, yeah, if they have four

644
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,600
players, yeah, they would.
Nonsense.

645
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,800
Anyway, the take is Stamina's
response in which he says and I

646
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,800
quote Liquid could fix
themselves by adding JT and Grim

647
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:39,440
100%.
I'm curious, is this the take of

648
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,280
the week because we agree with
it or because we disagree with

649
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,720
it?
I don't know how I feel about

650
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,320
it.
I I think it's AI think it's a

651
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,160
better move than most of them.
Most of the moves I could have

652
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,080
made.
I mean, look, I wouldn't subject

653
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
JT and Grimm to this Liquid
team.

654
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,080
If I'm being perfectly honest.
I think that's quite unfair.

655
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,600
All right, look on this Liquid
team.

656
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,000
Who do you think needs
replacing?

657
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Because to me, it's not like the
players that JT and Grimm would

658
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,800
be replacing.
Well, who do you think needs to

659
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,000
go then?
Well, Ultimate needs to go.

660
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,239
Well, obviously, but again.
And I think orphans are hard to

661
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,199
get.
Yeah, they are.

662
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,360
Yeah, of course.
Like, I don't think it's easy.

663
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,360
I'm just saying like I feel like
JT and Grim doesn't solve any of

664
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:41,239
their problem.
I mean, I mean, OK, so a Liege I

665
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,880
feel has been pretty
underwhelming since join him,

666
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,360
right?
Like he's not.

667
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,520
Newt, once out, there's there's
there's already that and it

668
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,920
doesn't want to be on this team,
OK?

669
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,239
Yeah, Nertz always wants out
unless they're winning it for a

670
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,400
thing.
Nertz is like a fucking Nertz is

671
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,920
a lovely bloke, lovely bloke,
but he's an absolute piss baby.

672
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Naff is OK again but was really
really bad for a long time and

673
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,600
was meant to leave the team
also.

674
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,240
So you've got two players who
shouldn't even actually be on

675
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,760
the team.
Chewy fine Ultima has improved.

676
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360
No, no, no, no, no.
I I think Chewy might have.

677
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,880
I think he might have been and
won it Wonder honestly.

678
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,000
He was good on two teams
already, Three teams that if you

679
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,920
count NXT.
No, but OK, fine.

680
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,760
But like his time on no, no, no,
I'm not judging Siri on his time

681
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,760
on Liquid.
But you just said you wouldn't,

682
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000
you wouldn't have JT on Liquid
because you wouldn't want to

683
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,640
expose him to that.
I feel the same about Siri.

684
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,360
OK, Elliot, you know how you
always say that?

685
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,760
Like Jaupolin, you can't be that
good of a football player

686
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,640
because Fulham got like better
or stayed the same without him

687
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,040
and didn't Jaupolini can't pass.
No, no, no.

688
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,000
But you know how you say that.
Yeah, yeah.

689
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Mouse got better with Brolin as
their IGL and Brolin for a

690
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,680
little bit the Teesside.
Yeah, no, no.

691
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,600
So they have the what I have
dubbed the Roberto Martinez

692
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,720
effect.
Which is exactly what Stanislaw

693
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,200
always has at the Daps.
When you have a guy who's more

694
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,840
free flowing coming in after the
guy who's like has a system or

695
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,840
like you have a guy come in and
he has this effect where he's

696
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,720
like releases the fucking the
Kraken.

697
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,360
Also Mouse added Spinks.
Which is come on, like he just

698
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,440
lets the fucking players do what
they want and they still have

699
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,960
the backbone of the system.
That system has now fallen apart

700
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,400
and Brolin can't fucking call.
So you need somebody's.

701
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,720
Man to come in and release.
Just out of interest.

702
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,720
Yeah, that's the premise.
That's on, yeah.

703
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,280
Just out of interest, where is
the mouse drop off because I

704
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,000
don't I don't see it.
They have like a 45% win rate on

705
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Teesside.
No, no, no.

706
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,720
But OK, so they seem to make top
4 just about everything.

707
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Yeah, just.
Like I I I'm a subscriber to the

708
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,040
mouse or or less boring team.
Yeah, but they were like,

709
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,560
weren't they?
They were like nearly winning

710
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,920
events for a while and now
they're just like, when was the

711
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,200
last time you genuinely thought
Mouse was going to win an event?

712
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,800
Every event I think there's a
chance.

713
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,760
Yeah.
They they tended to the point me

714
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,360
in playoffs but like they
normally get get remote with

715
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,320
with a lot of ease.
They they start a team has a

716
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,120
couple.
Against Butler, Australis could

717
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,400
never win a playoff series
phase, could never win a playoff

718
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,560
series phase.
Right now, common playoff

719
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,720
series.
Like there's so many.

720
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,320
They could ever win a fine, they
could win playoffs here.

721
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,320
They couldn't win finals SK
something there's.

722
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,640
So many, I mean they won
everything for a bit and then

723
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,040
but before that they were shit.
So I don't know if that's

724
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
exactly the same like.
Yeah, OK.

725
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,760
But the difference is that mouse
sign Spinks to replace it.

726
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,880
And yeah, that's like, so of
course their CT sides are really

727
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,680
good now because they have like
fucking four-star players.

728
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,240
But also Sphinx is one of the
best teeside lookers in the

729
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,720
world so.
Yeah, but to.

730
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Yeah.
And they do that.

731
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:11,720
I call it Teeside.
But to circle back, why doesn't

732
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:16,600
this Liquid team work?
Because in terms of role balance

733
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,640
now, it's a really fucking solid
team.

734
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
It should work.
And they're so like out of

735
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,800
sorts.
Their system is so clearly

736
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,240
terrible.
Doesn't work Chewy by the way,

737
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,640
quite a loose caller that that
they have like negative

738
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,280
chemistry.
As as.

739
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960
I've got the answer.
Some of that blame has to go on

740
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,800
Chewy because they only improve
when because they only improve

741
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:45,200
when Flashy came in and Flashy
after a timeout has like I think

742
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,280
the only coach with a higher win
rate after a timeout is Blade.

743
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,440
Yeah, I'd about to say no.
The the issue is like I've said

744
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,120
for forever, roles aren't real.
It's a woke agenda and building

745
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,640
a team around roles is that a
vibes will never work out it.

746
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Is Oh, right.
So can you remind me, Jack,

747
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,200
who's the best team in the
world?

748
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,800
Best team in the world.
Team spirit is NIP.

749
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Right.
OK, OK, we're doing this then.

750
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,760
All right, my podcast, I really
do love it.

751
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,080
Team Spirit 30 Team Spirit The
best team in the world Hold

752
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,080
this.
We'll talk about them later.

753
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,880
T liquid of fucking.
Rubbish.

754
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,600
I don't think JT and Grimm would
fix them in any sense of the

755
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
word.
It might make them a 23T at

756
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,520
best.
And that's if you get like this

757
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,080
version of Grimm, which is not
the version of Grimm we've seen

758
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,440
consistently for like the whole
time he's been on this heat

759
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,440
he's.
The last, the last 18 months

760
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,880
he's been very good.
He's.

761
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,640
Been yes, but before that he.
He was neutered on liquid when

762
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,600
he was there the first time or
what before.

763
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,720
And also kind of cooked by a
Liege.

764
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Yes, Grimm I think is a good
player.

765
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,040
I do think he's a good player.
I don't think a Liquid would use

766
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,360
him properly because they've
already shown that they don't

767
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,280
know how to.
Use him and that that was the

768
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,160
weird liquid where they decided
that starting a star player and

769
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,000
making every.
Liquid.

770
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,680
It's a weird liquid.
Well.

771
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Every every team Liquid field is
weird.

772
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Like I don't know what is wrong
with Liquid.

773
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,520
And yes you're right that some
of the blame does have to go to

774
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,480
sue, but I also don't think that
one bad team out of four

775
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,400
necessarily means he's bad.
I think he has been bad on this

776
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,280
team, but I'm not ready to give
up on him as a caller because

777
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,360
this team is a shambles.
He has to deal with Eliege and

778
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,000
nerds at the same time.
I think after after they signed

779
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,960
shocks they they awoke some sort
of ancient curse and this.

780
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Is yeah, that was, that was.
That was, that was the dawn of

781
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,680
that.
We'll just ignore the like,

782
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,880
repeated playoffs runs after
they then booted Shocks for

783
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Ukinda and then made every
playoffs between then and the

784
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,880
Paris Major.
Yeah, it was.

785
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,800
It was a delayed curse it you
know.

786
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,080
Oh.
OK, then you would then you it

787
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,920
was.
Getting rid of Ukinda that

788
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,360
cursed them.
Yeah, I.

789
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,800
Mean, I mean like, yeah, like, I
mean, this is what I mean like.

790
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,120
You can ask you're someone.
Like the strangest decisions.

791
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Yeah.
Like that's what I.

792
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Mean does Joker Steve, does
Joker Steve, should Joker Steve

793
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,800
have a job you.
Should have a job, I just don't.

794
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Think well it just just not.
It depends how.

795
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,560
Is it his fault he.
Is.

796
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,200
He can clean the toilet.
It depends how involved he is,

797
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,280
don't it?
Like the ultimate signing was

798
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,080
twist and method for fuck's
sake.

799
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,120
Like so if Joker Steve's having
no part in that, then you can't

800
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,280
really.
You probably can't blame him for

801
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,680
a lot of the other moves either.
No, but.

802
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,480
But he's just a figurehead, I.
Think.

803
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,560
So.
I think it's.

804
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,520
Quite telling.
It's quite telling that Twis was

805
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,600
desperate to go back to Liquid
and then could not wait to

806
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,880
leave.
It's quite he wanted to go back

807
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,080
to Liquid.
He's like, this is my hope.

808
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,480
And like after, was it like a
year?

809
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,000
He was like, I, I've got to get
out of here, like.

810
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,400
I do.
I do think like that, the going

811
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,720
back thing and all the stuff
around us kind of PR kind of,

812
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:15,840
yeah.
And then everything, just

813
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,520
everything just went wrong on
Liquid.

814
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Like you can't blame.
Him for what it's, it's kind of

815
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,000
like it's.
Like I'm not blaming.

816
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,040
No, it's I'm saying there's a
reason he wanted to get out.

817
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,240
That team is poisonous.
The Vice's return to to

818
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Charlotte was like, oh, welcome
home.

819
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,880
He's like you.
And yet he was all like, oh, you

820
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,920
know, I never should have left,
bro.

821
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,360
You, you were desperate to leave
when it happened.

822
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,320
You basically like shit on them
in an interview showing like an

823
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,760
IP is 10 steps ahead or
whatever.

824
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,080
Like you basically like drag the
org, then you got sucked and all

825
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,680
that shit happened and then you
were like kind of come out.

826
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,880
I don't like it.
Yeah.

827
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,360
And yeah, I mean Major, that
major happened.

828
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,080
Yeah.
Should we talk about that

829
00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:00,200
operation?
I don't want to make me sad I.

830
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:10,040
Thought look realistically O3 at
stage 3 is.

831
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Kind of a yeah, it definitely
is.

832
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,160
Absolutely.
Yeah.

833
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,880
They should seem to be proud of
it.

834
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480
The issue for me is that
basically every game they play,

835
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,120
they they could have won, but
not the not of the game.

836
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,040
That was kind of tough.
But yeah, they got battered,

837
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,120
but.
You kind of.

838
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Just the mouse won.
They should have won, but.

839
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Yeah, there's just they could
just.

840
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,240
But they're all.
A few different things.

841
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,880
They win exactly so I'm not even
it's kind of like what we said

842
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,720
about Nick in last episode Sam
right like them doing this is is

843
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,280
absolutely fine and they'll
probably learn from the games

844
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,880
they lost.
So it's OK, but I.

845
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,920
Will I will say though, what I
what I don't understand about

846
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,640
their O free game is that the
entire major we've been saying

847
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,560
don't play J man overpass, don't
play J man overpass yeah Ellie,

848
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:02,080
just pull up the veto of that O
free game, please this one yeah

849
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,680
Did they?
OK, I was a pick.

850
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,280
Dot what?
Why didn't they pick?

851
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,560
They could affect it.
Yeah.

852
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,640
I mean, they won those two.
They won those two.

853
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,800
So it's kind.
Of, but you'd probably get those

854
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,480
two in the veto anyway.
This is the thing, right?

855
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Like.
Yeah, those two, I don't know,

856
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:25,360
but pick overpass, like pick
overpass and then maybe you win

857
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,560
this 21.
I just don't.

858
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Understand.
Does pretty pretty backs also

859
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,760
ban nuke?
Do they have the same pimmer

860
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,920
ban?
I I might be making this up but

861
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,880
I I think they might both ban
nuke which?

862
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,800
No they don't.
It's one of 3D Macs.

863
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Best map.
Oh, then.

864
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,320
I'm I just?
Also 3D Macs are bad at those

865
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,680
two but they play a lot so they
probably would let you pick it

866
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,240
but they they're not good at it.
They're on A5 map losing streak,

867
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,320
including that they lost a lint
vision of Fly Quest before this.

868
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,720
That's probably why they picked
us too.

869
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,680
Yeah, true, I suppose.
It just feels.

870
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,520
I I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.

871
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,360
By the way, they got.
I don't, I don't think, yeah, I

872
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,680
don't think the veto is the
problem.

873
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,400
I think the problem is that
Belton knock is good against the

874
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,840
level of tip like the end of the
opposition they play and he just

875
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,280
drops off massively against
against good teams.

876
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,080
But AW also doesn't have hands.
Like Oh yeah, AW AW is terrible,

877
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,360
but this was like.
Or a neck.

878
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,520
AW is is basically Sanji.
Like he he is literally like he

879
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,000
takes pistols to drop off the
jet.

880
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,120
Like he is actually just the new
Sanji whereas Belchinock is

881
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,720
supposed to be one of their
better players but he he's just

882
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,800
not as good against good
opposition.

883
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,640
My question Belchinock's like
the nor but any like yes, let's

884
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,440
say he's still meant to be the
4th best player.

885
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,160
Yeah, next Major.
Yeah, but he's like, he's like

886
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,760
1.1, like Tier 2.
I think if I I'll, I'll find the

887
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,400
I've got the stats somewhere
because I did some.

888
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,880
I did.
I wrote about them.

889
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Do we think I was going to say
Jack?

890
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Do we do we think they make the
ultimate major?

891
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Like, let's just predict without
thinking of how they're going to

892
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,640
go.
No, because I think Jane leaves

893
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,040
good.
But I think, I think, I think

894
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,880
somebody better will take Jane.
Even if James stays, they'll do

895
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,160
worse at the next major they
probably.

896
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,440
Over performed this one.
OK, that's.

897
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,240
Fair, they probably did just
over perform at this one.

898
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,080
Like Belton.
Knock isn't great, AW is

899
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:33,840
terrible, and Ziello.
Jilo, Jilo Jilo is good.

900
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Yeah, yeah.
They're both good, but they both

901
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,480
also disappeared in various
games.

902
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,200
Those.
Games.

903
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,520
Really good show up and they
didn't.

904
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,400
Because those two are good, so
I'm not sure they'll keep hold

905
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,760
of them, if any.
So I think the.

906
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,560
News was to be ruined by team
spirit.

907
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,080
That's the question.
Team spirit don't ruin players,

908
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,000
they make them anyway they.
Definitely ruin some.

909
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,320
Should talk about the other
teams that went out but maybe 1.

910
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Teams Liquid obviously also went
O3 in the 13 racket.

911
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,280
We have three teams that you'd
pretty much expect to be there.

912
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,320
Pain.
Talk about pain.

913
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,840
Not.
Us Let's move to Imperial, yes,

914
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,120
Imperial kind of like I don't
want to say they shouldn't be

915
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,840
here.
They shouldn't because they

916
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,040
because they kind of did all
right in the earlier stages.

917
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,600
No, they were rubbish in stage
one, they were rubbish in.

918
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,840
Stage one.
Oh yeah, they like.

919
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,840
In stage 2 they were like really
good.

920
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,480
And then essentially they were
like returned to the mean, you

921
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,760
know, like.
I mean well done lads, you, you

922
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,360
went on a good run.
Yeah, yeah.

923
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,440
I feel like I didn't.
I feel like I didn't learn

924
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,320
anything about them.
Yeah.

925
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,200
Well, we we learned all we we
were reminded that Troy is

926
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,600
really good and needs to be on a
better team once again.

927
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,080
He is he, he can be.
He can be quite fickle, OK, He,

928
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,960
he, he does have the crimes.
That's not a crime.

929
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,360
I'm just saying like I wouldn't
necessarily be desperate to get

930
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,480
him on a on a better team.
That's all I'm saying.

931
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Yeah, 100 thieves, boys.
That's that's the play.

932
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,520
He's got to speak English.
Belchinok averages a 1.1

933
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,960
generally I think against top 50
but he drops off massively

934
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,280
against like top 20.
Remember well, paravision also

935
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,920
don't really lose.
Play against against, Yeah.

936
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,520
He also don't play against top
20 teams though.

937
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,720
Very often he he's, he's higher
rated than Nota like in I think

938
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,760
last six months or last three
months, but like Nota has much

939
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,520
better.
Curious.

940
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,480
Anyway, 3D Max Really
disappointed by them, I won't

941
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,160
lie.
They're like really, really that

942
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,760
stage, that stage 2 game against
IP, the 2 two game, they looked

943
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,720
incredible.
They looked really good, like,

944
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:03,200
Oh, well, maybe they finally got
it together and then they just

945
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,680
didn't play that well from the
stage.

946
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,160
But what's next?
They what do they do?

947
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,560
They always lose to phase.
Isn't that the thing?

948
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,480
Are they always lose to phase?
Am I making that up?

949
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,080
In phase like that, Great
record.

950
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,760
Then phase like batter yeah 13
one and 30 no in the last year

951
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,920
yeah look they.
They did win at probably though.

952
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,080
They did win at phase, that's
true, but they got they.

953
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,800
Got that?
Was the fucking probably.

954
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,880
Wasn't it was what I was
remembering and 13 Reed at

955
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,720
Fisher like they they they get
battered by phase quite

956
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,240
regularly.
This is a sort of.

957
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,560
Butter.
Yeah, they're in trouble.

958
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,480
They beat Paravision as we just
previously mentioned, but they

959
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,920
kind of should I guess they it
feels like a good match up for

960
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,160
them.
They're both kind of like

961
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,960
structured teams who aren't like
heavy firepower based and 3D

962
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,360
matches is better.
I'm just going to set you up for

963
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,680
something now, Elliot, to do
with your deep dive that once

964
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,840
again will be out within a
number of hours as to when this

965
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,680
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966
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,920
check your emails.
Elliot National Teams.

967
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Yeah, it leaves you in a bit.
Of a tricky spot, don't it?

968
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,120
It does.
So when you look at, I mean, you

969
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,840
talk about paravision as well,
right?

970
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Like when you look at these
teams, you look at 3D Max and

971
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,920
you're like, OK, but you're
like, you're good, but you just

972
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,920
don't have that like, MMM, that
star power, that oomph.

973
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,520
They can't, you know, they don't
have something like that.

974
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,320
When Furious signed Moladoy,
like it's like, ah, instant,

975
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,760
like kick up the arse.
It's on Yukina.

976
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,720
It's kick up the arse. 3D Max
can't do that because they're a

977
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,880
French team and they speak
French, so they're limited to

978
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,200
only signing French players or
like Canadians and I wouldn't

979
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,720
sign either of them.
Can't they sign that that that

980
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,600
NATU guy offense?
Isn't he like pretty good?

981
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,360
No, he's one O 3 OK?
He's meant to be zombie.

982
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,880
Too so they have like a they
have like a big problem where

983
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,760
they can't actually go anywhere.
I mean the fact they had to they

984
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,760
signed body when like that was
it.

985
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,080
No, it wasn't body.
They they they made a change.

986
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,880
Yeah, so it was body and
everyone was like, why, why, why

987
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,440
this move?
Because it's didn't double pony

988
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,720
do the same thing and get worse
a few years ago and it's like,

989
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,680
ah, you just re re the old one
the second who else?

990
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,160
Yeah, but I believe when they
signed body before, it was like

991
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,800
they sure it was like.
A move that everyone hated,

992
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,960
Sure.
I was shocked.

993
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,440
I think the point, I think
body's really good.

994
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,760
But yeah.
The point is like lucky and

995
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,960
exercise are just both a bit
wank.

996
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Yeah, basically they're.
Just really not very good at all

997
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,840
and he's certainly not going to
help it, Jack.

998
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,840
But I guess he's got the same
name as you, so you have to to

999
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,960
some degree.
But no, you're really not good

1000
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,760
at the game, is he?
The only way there's there's 2

1001
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,320
French players who would improve
this team, but you're not

1002
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,000
signing either.
No, you're not.

1003
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,280
Because Kenny S is right now I'm
joking, Zoe, Zoe and Apex

1004
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,120
obviously myths and that that's
kind of the problem.

1005
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,280
And that's that's what I talk
about in the deep dive is that

1006
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,520
national teams are kind of
outdated in an era when like,

1007
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,920
well, like when vitality could
just sign flames and Mesi and

1008
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,640
you're like, oh, should we sign
Jax?

1009
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,240
You know you don't.
You don't get.

1010
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,680
Well, I'm not being serious.
No I know but like but genuinely

1011
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,960
who else?
Well, yeah.

1012
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,560
Oh yeah.
Yeah, who else?

1013
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,960
Is going 103 on on ants?
Yeah, exactly.

1014
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,720
It's not a good look at it so.
Who who is out there that

1015
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,520
improves 3D Max isn't Apex and
Sai Wu and speak French.

1016
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,160
It's it's different yeah.
And that's that's kind of their

1017
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:55,360
problem is sorry, move on, move
on 2.

1018
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,040
Three teams.
Fucking hell. 2-3 That would be

1019
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,280
B8.
They are all disappointed, I

1020
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,640
will say.
No, I think B8 were not

1021
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,000
disappointing.
I think they gave a good account

1022
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
of themselves and lost A22 game
against a better team.

1023
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,440
Yeah, they gave a good account
of this.

1024
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,720
I I've been in playoffs.
I enjoyed watching, look, I

1025
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,080
enjoyed watching B8 play Counter
Strike.

1026
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,400
I'm not being funny, but look at
their, look at their run here,

1027
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,400
right?
They've beaten Falcons in their

1028
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,880
opener.
They've then lost to Mouse and

1029
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,720
Vitality and then beat Pain and
then lost to NAV.

1030
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,000
Can you really blame seeding of
that?

1031
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,360
I'm not blaming them, I just
would have liked to see in the

1032
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,160
playoffs.
Like it's not.

1033
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,080
I'm not saying they've been bad,
I'm just saying I'm not happy

1034
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,840
with the result.
Yeah, they they, they weren't

1035
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
disappointing.
They did as well as you could

1036
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,320
realistically hope with the
games they play, if not slightly

1037
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,920
better.
They beat Falcon B8 and RV game

1038
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,200
was a bit of a let down because
they did get stomped on ancient

1039
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,680
and from there you were just
like yeah, that's kind.

1040
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Of over, but yeah.
Look, good run from B8.

1041
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,120
They showed resilience.
They showed like they won

1042
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,400
without.
So previously when B8 were

1043
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,760
winning games, you'd look at
like an NPL would have like a

1044
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,000
1.4 and you're like, yeah.
That doesn't seem like that was.

1045
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,360
Going to keep on like Ken's.
Well, it's not even over

1046
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,760
performance.
I think he was their best player

1047
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,120
for a while, but they they
actually won with a different

1048
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,480
player showing up, which is
nice.

1049
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,360
I would just like to say though,
have you guys watched head trick

1050
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,240
or yeah, it's really it's really
uncomfortable.

1051
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,000
He like, he's like, he plays
with input there.

1052
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Yeah, but he did like step back
up for the major after having a

1053
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,840
really rough time before it, so
fair play to him.

1054
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,040
It's not even that I think he's
bad, he's just really

1055
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,400
uncomfortable to watch, but he
he seems to take an extra split

1056
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,680
second to like line up a shot
that like and he OPS in a

1057
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,200
passive way, but the way he
actually shoots the gun makes me

1058
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,720
really uncomfortable.
But he was like actually kind of

1059
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:55,120
fraggy, so it's hard to
criticise him too much passion.

1060
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,840
UA We've already talked about
him, but.

1061
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,960
I mean really good run from
them.

1062
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,640
It's like the first time they've
advanced from a stage in a

1063
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:10,920
major, which is good.
Yeah, yeah, 'cause you know, JT

1064
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,040
played well at this event.
I just, I've just never been

1065
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,200
impressed by him before G2.
Would have been really funny if

1066
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,320
it'd be phased though, just
saying.

1067
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,800
Oh, it would have been, but
they.

1068
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,000
Didn't it would have been
excellent.

1069
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,760
Because they never do.
Yeah.

1070
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,440
Always the bridesmaid G2.
G2 are a team that last year

1071
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,720
when this sort of overhaul
happened, I think Sam, you and I

1072
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,880
said that they would be like a
sleeper for the major, maybe

1073
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,040
it's for Austin actually said
that.

1074
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,840
No, no, we said it after Austin.
Yeah, whether?

1075
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,680
Roster was formed after Austin.
Yes, sure, it's a little

1076
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,000
disappointing, but I think this
team still has very good pieces,

1077
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,160
I think.
This is the disappointing.

1078
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,240
Game, right?
Yeah, this was, this was tough,

1079
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,520
but I do think like once you
figure out the author, this

1080
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,520
team's pretty good still.
Some Pirates has been doing

1081
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,880
better recently to be fair.
Yeah, and suppose a caveat.

1082
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,000
He had surgery the night before
the Falcons game, apparently.

1083
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,400
I don't know how much that would
affect his performance, but I

1084
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,000
imagine a reasonable amount.
But like.

1085
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,160
And if he was?
Heavy God's very good.

1086
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,240
I'm still big on Matthews.
I think he's like, really good.

1087
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,320
Yeah, Mattis.
Every time I watch Mattis, I'd

1088
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,400
be very.
Impressed.

1089
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,320
I think maybe it's where you you
have to start looking at like is

1090
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Hunter good enough as an IGL
maybe.

1091
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,240
Follow up I can.
Say they've got the firepower,

1092
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,440
but yeah, that's The Who do you
get?

1093
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,160
Because they've got the
firepower.

1094
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,880
Yeah.
I mean, does Blitz speak

1095
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,160
English?
Not good enough.

1096
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,000
OK I just wondered because like
he I feel like if Mongols keep

1097
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,120
losing players eventually they
are going to drop off again.

1098
00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:00,440
Read the deep dive and like
Blitz feels like the piece on

1099
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Mongols you'd want the most.
And I know you could say

1100
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Mizzinho because he's so young
and he's so good.

1101
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,720
And 910 is what actually like
genuinely quite decent in a, in

1102
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,280
a year in like at a time where
most orphans are kind of bad.

1103
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,840
But Blitz has been on this team.
He's overseen multiple versions

1104
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:25,680
of the Mongols and very rarely
have they been outright like bad

1105
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,800
or like even worse than MIT like
they've.

1106
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Had when they, when they became
good, when they became good,

1107
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,880
like when they were like, yeah,
OK.

1108
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,040
AHC when he had fucking Bartak
Bartak, he was an actual

1109
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,040
terrorist.
He's a horrendous player.

1110
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,040
I will say though, all right,
he's a very good Frank in IGO,

1111
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,200
but when we say overseeing
multiple versions, they actually

1112
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,720
went quite a long time without a
roster move before Senzu fucked

1113
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,640
off.
So I don't know if the multiple

1114
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,280
versions flies as much as it's
just like consistent.

1115
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Getting.
Better by signing better players

1116
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:14,840
and then I think the Mongols are
one of the teams that are bailed

1117
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,840
out by the fact they've actually
got some people who are pretty

1118
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,160
good at hitting the head, I
don't think.

1119
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,080
They're Boston juggles fucking
good by the way though.

1120
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,880
But so did G2.
G2 have people who can hit the

1121
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,600
heck they don't need to reinvent
the wheel.

1122
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:37,200
But I just, what I mean is I
think like, I don't think Blitz

1123
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,480
is potentially that creative.
Nigel, he's a good IGL but I'm

1124
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,120
not sure he's like the person
you you sign if you deep G2 to

1125
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,560
try.
And well, he's also no and IGL

1126
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,280
that's not a detriment, right?
He's doesn't bring the team down

1127
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,440
by being a handless boss, which
a lot of ideals tend to.

1128
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,040
Hunting has fallen off since
calling Yeah, that's what I'm

1129
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,880
saying right.
Like he's kind of shades of

1130
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,200
glaive.
I would say actually in in a.

1131
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,360
In a.
Yeah, yeah, that's the next Deep

1132
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,200
5.
This is the point of G2 but I

1133
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,320
will say their Falcons series
was should I do that?

1134
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,520
There's a round on dust 2 where
KS 2K fires 5 up shots.

1135
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,040
And he's on the window on B.
He hits two of them, which are

1136
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,520
nose shots all the way, but
there's two.

1137
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,720
Guys on the window.
And it is the messiest thing

1138
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,040
ever they took.
Can I even show you that if you

1139
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,520
can find it?
I mean, I don't know if it's

1140
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,920
allowed us to.
It is like Gore.

1141
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not.

1142
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,000
I'm not sure we can ever show.
It yeah, no, it but I know

1143
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,040
exactly the round you're talking
about because I I tweeted it in

1144
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,840
anger at the time like how is he
allowed to firefight he misses

1145
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,440
he.
Misses three scope shots and

1146
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,280
then no scopes the next two
guys.

1147
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,720
Bananas.
Yeah, he missed three shots and

1148
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,160
I'd say at least two of them as
you had a real awkward pit.

1149
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,800
Yeah, second daughter was all
things why he was offering or

1150
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,720
the next round he did pick
Suntaius up there, which is a

1151
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,160
problem in itself.
But no, that that round was like

1152
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,240
at that point I was watching it.
I was watching it wasn't due to

1153
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,840
win when Kyoseki missed three
off shots and they let him no

1154
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,400
scope two people and I was like,
yeah, no, they are brain broken.

1155
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,120
Like Monocy's actually just
broken their brains.

1156
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,480
Like they don't know what to do
now.

1157
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:28,760
He was so.
Good in this series, but he is

1158
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,440
not and probably will never be
the most consistent best player

1159
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,400
in the world.
Like he's probably never going

1160
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:40,240
to be Zai Wu and that like Zai
Wu is just like a 1.4 all the

1161
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,840
time.
Like I know he has.

1162
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,920
Like do you know what I mean?
Like most events you look at Zai

1163
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,560
Wu's not in playoffs. 1.3 F one.
Might be next year.

1164
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,520
I'm not sure he's ever going to
be that consistent, but nobody

1165
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,880
has more like moments than him.
Like nobody, nobody.

1166
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,200
There's no other player in the
world, I don't think, who would

1167
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,000
have done what he did.
Was it at 11:10 where he stood

1168
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,400
on top of the site full blind
and hit a flick, fell off and

1169
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,880
then jumping?
No scope somebody and you're

1170
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,160
just like I just I it was like
watching SIM like it actually

1171
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,720
was like watching CS go simple.
And I was like, I don't think

1172
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,240
there's another player in the
world who would have tried that

1173
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,040
in that situation.
No, Brokie would have tried it,

1174
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,800
but he would not appear.
Yeah, No, he wouldn't.

1175
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,800
Brokie would have got flashed
and he'd have jumped into the

1176
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,240
two players and tried to knife
them or something like he's

1177
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,640
he's.
Yeah, and he would.

1178
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,360
It would be awesome.
Should we talk about the teams

1179
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,120
who went went through to
playoffs?

1180
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,680
Yeah.
No, Brokie, that's the end of

1181
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,480
the podcast.
So spirit Furia.

1182
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,760
Oh no, wait, let's start 32 this
Falcons.

1183
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,400
I don't.
Want to get ahead of myself, but

1184
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,040
I'm going to.
This might be the most stacked

1185
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,280
major playoff we've had for a
long time.

1186
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,720
You're tracking well.
Hope so.

1187
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,040
The group stage has been
miserable.

1188
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,320
This is like.
Copenhagen was quite, really

1189
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,680
good, I think.
Even RV once doesn't count.

1190
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,600
I'm just trying to piss you off.
Yeah, this is really good.

1191
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,280
This is this is like every game
of this playoff is good.

1192
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,560
Actually, it wasn't Shanghai.
Actually, 8 out of eight of the

1193
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,880
top eight teams.
I think it might have been,

1194
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,440
yeah.
But this is the last Shanghai

1195
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,280
playoff.
This is what seeding like this

1196
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,680
is what?
It insists on itself.

1197
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,480
And the system is supposed to do
like this is this is what it is

1198
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,120
made to do and it's doing.
And people there were still

1199
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,360
people moaning out buck holes.
Shanghai did have keep Hiroshi.

1200
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,280
That's exactly what it's
supposed to do.

1201
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,680
It's done it.
I just don't, you know, I just,

1202
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,120
I thought the group stages were
generally quite boring because.

1203
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,520
As soon as I was out of context.
There was no diamond.

1204
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,440
Coin I don't really like the
stake I have in these games is

1205
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,720
gone so.
OK but it's boring because it's

1206
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,080
3 stages of Swiss.
Sure, yeah.

1207
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,120
And all three stages are boring.
It's 3 stages of Swiss because

1208
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,400
you already know from the start
that you're going to have too

1209
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,760
much of a good thing.
It's 3 stages of Swiss with best

1210
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:18,880
of ones that are somewhat random
and that messes up the the

1211
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,680
brackets later down the line.
Like it's, it's not a good, the

1212
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,240
major isn't a good system, but
we're not, we're not fucking

1213
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,920
talking about.
That 32 team round Robin, all

1214
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,640
best of ones who's in No and.
For this reason, I'm out.

1215
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,040
Round Robin 32 teams Round Robin
all best of threes.

1216
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,040
Who's in?
I don't care how round the Robin

1217
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:45,920
is man, I don't give a fuck.
I don't want it. 64 Yeah Falcons

1218
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,520
Let's go to Falcons Falcons.
Is it fair to say?

1219
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,120
Not entirely convinced, but they
did the.

1220
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,640
Job yeah, they shouldn't have
been in the last day of play, I

1221
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,520
don't think.
Yeah, I mean their losses.

1222
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,680
This team should have done.
Better wasn't it in the best of

1223
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,720
1 and then they lost a mouth of
the two one game losing to mouth

1224
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,840
group stage.
Pretty reasonable losing to B8

1225
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,040
obviously an issue, but it's
best to won first day B8 come in

1226
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,760
hot happens, but like I'm also
like I'm just the kind of did

1227
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,600
enough without being
outstanding.

1228
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:32,120
Kaisuke though, yeah, he's, he's
really like, he's obviously

1229
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,400
he's.
I don't think I realized quite

1230
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,800
how.
Well, so we, we had this thing.

1231
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,040
We had this thing when I did
snake and banter where?

1232
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,800
Thoren said for for his good
point.

1233
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,120
I think it was was the form of
twist and he just said I'm not

1234
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:52,000
going to say who it is, but I
just want you to go on like the

1235
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,920
the all players stats and then
just make it land top 20 last 12

1236
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:01,000
months I think it was and twist
by the way, it has like a 1.38

1237
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,840
CT side rated.
The next closest is Xyru on

1238
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,000
1.28.
Like Twist has been absurdly

1239
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,120
good and then he's like 1.19 T
side, something like that.

1240
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,640
Kya Suki is exactly the same
thing where if you look at him,

1241
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,560
yeah, he's not at the top, but
his ratings are forking nuts.

1242
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,000
He's so good at the game.
He's.

1243
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,040
So good.
He's so good that Nico has

1244
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:30,240
genuinely let him have his role.
Nico, like Nico has Ego checked

1245
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,760
himself to let Kia Suki play.
That's how this kid is.

1246
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,360
But.
That was always going to be the

1247
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,600
case, wouldn't it?
It was the case when he signed.

1248
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,800
That was why he.
But it's also why he could be

1249
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,200
our gelling next year.
It's also like, this is I I did

1250
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,080
not expect Nico to actually do
it this willingly.

1251
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,480
Yeah, I know that's the plan,
but like.

1252
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,280
Nico, who's gone into the roles
that he has now before, it's

1253
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,040
more, I think it's more a
comment on Nico's versatility as

1254
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,720
a player.
Sure, but that he's able to.

1255
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720
Do he knows he's a very
versatile player?

1256
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,680
As a phase.
Obviously.

1257
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,640
Phase songs is kept away from a
fucking orb.

1258
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,640
What do I do?
I've seen Kyo Suki org that's

1259
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:16,040
not much better phase.
They shouldn't be here.

1260
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,960
I'm sorry, they shouldn't be
here.

1261
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,040
They are not.
It's.

1262
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,240
No, no, no.
They're not going to win in

1263
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,320
playoffs.
They're not going to do it.

1264
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,280
I've said this before and I was
proven wrong, but they're not

1265
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,760
going to win in playoffs.
They're rubbish.

1266
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,400
They're not going to try and I'm
going to try and.

1267
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,480
Counter Jinx and I'm going to
say Phase will win the major so

1268
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,440
they hopefully will go out on
Thursday.

1269
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,440
The thing is we face is that
they have two of the best

1270
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,400
players in the world, like
Frozen and Twist might still be

1271
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,480
top ten players.
Maybe.

1272
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,480
Yeah, maybe.
Top 20 I'll give you, especially

1273
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,960
if you want both of them in.
I don't think I can find space

1274
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:55,880
with both.
Yeah, no.

1275
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,720
So this is the thing like I
think one of them is definitely

1276
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,360
in.
Can't decide which one might be

1277
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,640
Twist, Think twist.
I'm a big Twist fan so.

1278
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,280
But OK, they've got two players
in the top 15.

1279
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,680
Yeah, it's it's not top 20.
It's top 15 for sure.

1280
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,200
Jacob, though, right?
We're going to talk about this

1281
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,880
little fuck, OK?
It's poor kid, man.

1282
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,680
I don't give a fuck.
This kid, literally.

1283
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,160
Came.
To Carrigan, in whatever context

1284
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,800
Sam decided he appeared on
Carrigan's plate.

1285
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,120
If you thrust into the deep end,
they've they've put it on every

1286
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,920
defeat graphic.
They just put his face on it,

1287
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,280
which is fucking horrible, by
the way.

1288
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,200
And it's it's definitely not.
Really funny they are.

1289
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,880
She's not that ugly.
No, she's fucking.

1290
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,120
Horrible and then sorry also put
it.

1291
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,560
The first time, sorry.
The the the victory graphic,

1292
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,320
like the two oh, we made it to
the playoffs thing is maybe the

1293
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,560
worst graphic I've ever seen.
And they finally put Jacob on a

1294
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,280
on a very graphic and it's
horrible.

1295
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,240
Not irrelevant to this, but it's
awful.

1296
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,040
Right, so I made I made a
fucking tweet earlier.

1297
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,080
Oh God.
Whereas I said pretending that

1298
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,600
Jacob was anything more than a
cynical signing.

1299
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,120
But right.
I'm trying to read it, Elliot,

1300
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,800
you prick.
Good.

1301
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,880
From you, good, From you.
Well done.

1302
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,880
Because he's had a decent major
is really funny, especially when

1303
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,240
in doing so you ignore that he
was dog shit in stage 1.

1304
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,439
Revisionism in CS never ends,
which he never fucking does.

1305
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,200
Some dickhead has replied to me
saying it should be clear to you

1306
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,399
at this point that Jacob is a
very good player.

1307
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,760
Are you just saying that Faze
couldn't have known he would

1308
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,800
turn out as?
What do you mean it should be

1309
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,000
clear?
He's had one good event, which

1310
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:43,760
he wasn't even the worst stage
of actually 2 good offence.

1311
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,080
Oh yeah thanks HLTV for not
keeping fingers one event you

1312
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,359
bastard.
Like Focky.

1313
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,880
Now be rich.
I've seen S tag out of a good

1314
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,479
event.
I haven't.

1315
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,040
You know you have it was when
you'd get to the end of his

1316
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,960
three month rolling contract and
he'd be like bloody hell for

1317
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,880
another performance now like.
Yeah, and I've got a show when

1318
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,399
I've got really good movement
do.

1319
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,880
You know what I mean though,
Like fuck off.

1320
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,840
Are we doing this based on one
event?

1321
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,520
It'll be shit in January.
They'll go out dead lasting

1322
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,120
Krakow or something if they're
moving on.

1323
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,200
Him up as well.
They've almost definitely been

1324
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,160
wired, yeah.
It's just this base team

1325
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,720
shouldn't have made it this far,
should they?

1326
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,240
Objectively.
No they I mean they they there

1327
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,000
was like 2 games they should
have lost like the one nought .4

1328
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,720
seconds.
Was it against Luxo?

1329
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,160
I think it was.
Yeah.

1330
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,520
No, it was Luxo.
No, reckon is, yeah.

1331
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,800
Yeah, whereas history had just
seen that he has a smoke and

1332
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,760
drops at his feet and he's
diffusing Kerrigan won't come in

1333
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,600
and won't happen.
Yeah, Or, you know, the

1334
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,439
Kerrigan's chance of 1 tapping
him is far lower.

1335
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,120
He could still do it.
But then having said they

1336
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,800
shouldn't be here, I'm not sure
who I want from this stage over

1337
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,160
them.
So maybe it's a maybe it's G2G2.

1338
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:59,320
Me too.
Yeah, I would.

1339
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:04,480
Rather write G2 or or.
Paravision passion UA Yeah,

1340
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,760
Paravision went O3 so I kind of
discounted.

1341
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,800
Yeah, but was not we're.
We're talking hypothetically,

1342
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:09,920
aren't we?
Things don't matter.

1343
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,800
Let's not try and be correct
here.

1344
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,280
We're asking who we'd prefer to
be there.

1345
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:15,680
Good point.
Well.

1346
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:23,080
Nip, Thank you, Navi.
Yeah, that really good.

1347
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,600
They're losing the
quarterfinals.

1348
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,080
They've had a good showing
really.

1349
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,520
No lost.
Are they, are they, are they

1350
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,840
back blaming?
Question mark they've I.

1351
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,560
Think they are back, question
mark, I think.

1352
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,400
I think that's about right, I
think.

1353
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,760
If you look at the teams, if you
look at the teams that they've

1354
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:47,720
lost to, then it's fine.
Honestly.

1355
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,080
You can't criticize them for
that.

1356
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,440
Their wins are decent enough.
Like some of their individual

1357
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,680
performances have been really
strong and a bit dropped a lot,

1358
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,240
dropped off a lot in this stage,
but wonderful exception

1359
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:03,880
especially has been exceptional.
So I'm not saying they're back

1360
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,480
to the point where we're going
to see them challenge for

1361
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:10,480
trophies again, but I think they
could be a top six team.

1362
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,160
They just won't be a top six
team in the way that all year

1363
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,960
we've been saying there's a top
4.

1364
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,280
Yeah, wonderful.
They will be the They will be

1365
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,320
the six best I.
Think.

1366
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,880
Though, and they'll make.
Very good this event.

1367
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,440
Yeah, yeah, they'll start making
playoffs again, but they won't

1368
01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:26,760
be, they won't be winning
nothing.

1369
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:31,720
Which is kind of like it's kind
of when I talk about seeding

1370
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,800
people like, oh, you've got to
have the best eight teams in

1371
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,240
there.
It's like, I don't see why it

1372
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,760
matters if it's Navi or
Paravision losing in the

1373
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,000
quarterfinals.
I I don't think Navi are going

1374
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,400
to be any of the top.
No, no, But Navi would make it a

1375
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,720
more interesting game, wouldn't
they?

1376
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,400
They'd probably.
It'd probably be a closer game

1377
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,080
with more who's than ours.
Yeah, Power, vision, definitely.

1378
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,040
Objectively, just style wise, it
would be a more interesting

1379
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,160
game.
We'll see, won't we?

1380
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:01,320
If if Navi get 2 owned and it's
like 13413 three I'm going to.

1381
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:03,440
Come all in, they're facing fury
at all.

1382
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,440
I will.
Yeah, exactly.

1383
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,400
So what does it matter anyway?
Let's move on, we.

1384
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,320
Want to watch good stuff?
Yeah, we actually enjoyed the

1385
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,640
game.
You.

1386
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,840
Seconds ago wanted Paravision in
the in the playoffs.

1387
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,080
Seconds ago you wanted them in
the playoffs.

1388
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,360
I thought they gave it through a
very perverse lessons.

1389
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,080
Then you want James Mongols 31
controllers.

1390
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,240
Lost Jargol.
He's awesome.

1391
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,520
He's like he's, I expected him
to be so much worse than he is.

1392
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,560
He's genuinely decent.
He's not.

1393
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,760
He's not Senzu, but he's decent.
They've not really gotten worse

1394
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,680
that that's the thing, which is
maybe it's testament to system

1395
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:47,600
or Mongolia just has this
plethora of untapped talent, OR

1396
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,320
it's a secret third thing, which
is is, I don't know, magic.

1397
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,280
I feel like Mongol scouting is
actually quite good.

1398
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,520
Because no, I think I think
Control Less was just the best

1399
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,280
available player from what they
could get.

1400
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,480
I don't think it's anything to
do with scouting.

1401
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,960
In at the back 20. 8 So they've
also let control less.

1402
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,120
Just kind of do what he wants to
do rather than forcing him to do

1403
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,720
something else.
I think that's benefited him a

1404
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,560
lot.
He's had some very good games,

1405
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:19,720
so and especially good rounds,
you can't really criticize.

1406
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,280
They've done a really good job
in in getting to the playoffs.

1407
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,720
Like I thought they would drop
off a lot more than they have

1408
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,000
so.
You know I love you, Udadaga.

1409
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,160
He's so good.
Fair play.

1410
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,080
The fact he's gotten better,
he's the guy who's the place in

1411
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,960
terms of I, I are you, Is he the
best player who is available?

1412
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,520
Obviously, in retrospect, yeah,
I'm not.

1413
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,600
Well, I'm thinking no, but I
think it was to take anyone.

1414
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,240
Hundred players, yeah.
Yeah, OK.

1415
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,400
I'm not sure.
Also haven't had half of the 100

1416
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,280
players anyway.
Yeah.

1417
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:55,920
So they had to take, they had to
take someone from from this

1418
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,800
team.
Yeah, I mean this is what I

1419
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,520
mean.
Like when you look controllers

1420
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,920
is ratings well below 4 of the
players currently on Jing is.

1421
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,800
More.
Well, it's worked, isn't it so?

1422
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,280
It has worked, but that's kind
of my point.

1423
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,640
Like they didn't like they
didn't just search Mongolians by

1424
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,120
rating to pick the best one.
Like no for sure.

1425
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,800
They actually was like, no, this
guy, this guy is actually the

1426
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,560
guy to replace.
But I I imagine the.

1427
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,040
Best player on this team.
I imagine the Mongolian team's

1428
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,520
pretty, pretty small.
You tend to know who's good and

1429
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,400
who's.
They probably play together

1430
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,640
right?
Like I, I'm sure it was more of

1431
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,800
a Oh yeah, he'll, he'll play.
He, he, he's a good fit, you

1432
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,120
know?
What I mean, yeah, essentially

1433
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,960
he was the closest fit as well.
Yeah, it's worked.

1434
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,400
So, so obviously that there's
there's ways of knowing that I

1435
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,000
that I'm not Privy to that I've
worked out.

1436
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,200
Yeah.
I think I think it's AI think

1437
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,720
it's quite a clever spot if they
they went for him over players

1438
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,880
who were higher rated,
especially given the sensors,

1439
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,680
basically the like the star
player essentially he's a yeah,

1440
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,760
you know, they wanted somebody
who's going to play in like star

1441
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,640
roles and they picked
controller.

1442
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:07,200
So just like nobody except the
Mongols expected him to be any

1443
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,160
good.
And he has actually been really

1444
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,680
decent.
Like look what he did to G2.

1445
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:19,080
It's good.
It is good.

1446
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,960
We skip in mouth.
See how I'm fine with that?

1447
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,280
Well I mean my mouse played very
good, they lost the 2O game to

1448
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,720
the team that went three O and
then won the next game like.

1449
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,440
Yeah.
If they if they were in the

1450
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:32,480
other, I mean they would have
been Fury, they did exactly as

1451
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,960
well as they should have in the
way that only two teams should

1452
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,040
go 3O.
Yeah, yeah.

1453
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,000
And Mouse.
So if it's kind of the same

1454
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,880
team, always the bridesmaid,
Yeah, never the bride.

1455
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,160
Vitality, you've been the bride
plenty of times.

1456
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,640
But I would have liked them to
just.

1457
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:58,920
No, they do just look slightly
below Furia and it's like, do

1458
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,920
you still always feel like
Vitality can win any event

1459
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,400
they're in?
But yeah, they're no longer when

1460
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,360
Vitality are good, they feel
unbeatable.

1461
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,720
Suffocating.
And at the moment they just

1462
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,640
don't feel unbeatable.
Yeah, for sure.

1463
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,520
They feel very beatable, don't
they?

1464
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,720
Yeah, because.
Even even when they win games,

1465
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:24,200
they don't, they don't seem too
confident in their moves and

1466
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,000
stuff.
And and yeah, like scores are

1467
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,600
fine, but they're just, they
just don't seem.

1468
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,840
OK, that one's a battery.
That one's also a battery.

1469
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,040
Maybe I'm being unreasonable.
Not good.

1470
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,640
I think it's very scary that
they lost to phase on nuke that

1471
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,400
phase are fucking terrible at.
Yeah, but but I also think

1472
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:49,400
there's a reasonable chance that
they do make the final I don't

1473
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,320
want.
To yeah, yeah, yeah.

1474
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,400
But I.
Think they're good enough to

1475
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,200
just do that?
I just think their Matt Paul is

1476
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,120
just really weak now.
I think they're.

1477
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,840
Shy at train aren't.
They their train is still dog.

1478
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,760
Train is terrible.
They're not good at ancient.

1479
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,160
Either overpass.
Well, I mean ancient.

1480
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,000
They've played once, it's their.
Exactly.

1481
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,840
But they're going to have to
play it because their train's

1482
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,280
so.
Bad.

1483
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,280
They'll do that again.
Yeah, no, they will just keep

1484
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,080
banning it because it's their
old ban.

1485
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,480
They might do a old Carrigan
trick of pretending they're

1486
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:22,360
firmer.
Manning it, picking it made the

1487
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,120
semi final.
No, they, they, they tried that

1488
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,680
and they got dipped by Fury.
Exactly.

1489
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,240
That's exactly why it's going to
work it.

1490
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:29,600
Was it wasn't.
Even Fury.

1491
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,560
Anyway.
Yeah, it was the.

1492
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,920
It was the Chen.
Chengdu or Hong Kong, I can't

1493
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:35,960
remember.
It was Chengdu, yeah.

1494
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:37,600
Chengdu and Hong Kong was
Falcons.

1495
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,840
Yeah, Dutch free ones and then
the Frio teams.

1496
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:46,440
It's the team everyone hit.
The team spirit and the best

1497
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:47,840
team in the.
World.

1498
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,400
I'm unhappy with this because
this means that they're both on

1499
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,880
opposite side of the brackets,
which means there's a world

1500
01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:02,520
where that's the final and I am
praying to any and all gods that

1501
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,680
this this is the the result.
The issue is that Spirit needs

1502
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,120
to get past brackets but two
points.

1503
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:15,200
It's I know it's 5 maps doesn't.
Matter you'll be able.

1504
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,520
To play fine Donkey's playing in
Donkey's playing in his

1505
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,280
tournament winning form.
Yeah.

1506
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:29,080
T kills in 2021 rounds.
The game we get.

1507
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,320
The game gets phased though.
Actually looks like capital

1508
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,120
punishment.
Just just.

1509
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,280
Bullying.
After the first 3 maps, he must

1510
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,080
have been averaging over A2
rating.

1511
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,080
It's like how it like he's just.
Absurd.

1512
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,480
Yeah, he's just.
One he multi.

1513
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,720
Killed one out of every 4
rounds.

1514
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,640
Well, he.
Aced the spirit round, he aced

1515
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,760
the.
First round of the tournament He

1516
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,240
aced the first round of the
first mile if.

1517
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,240
You pick a spirit round at
random, there's a one in four

1518
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,200
chance don't multi killed in it.
It's just obscene.

1519
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,680
Isn't that the same as like,
isn't it?

1520
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,720
Isn't like one in four people
Chinese and none of us three are

1521
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,440
Chinese?
So Charlie must be that's what.

1522
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,560
Yeah, Charlie never turns his
camera.

1523
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,360
On Charlie must be.
This is this is my favorite set.

1524
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,040
He hasn't got a utility kill.
Yeah, all of those kills, who's

1525
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,480
got none of them?
Grenades.

1526
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,120
It's awesome.
Should we look?

1527
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,600
Less than one flash every two
rounds, I'll talk.

1528
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,360
About Fury quickly, but I think
we should look at the bracket

1529
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,600
because it's it's.
Exciting.

1530
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,840
Yeah, we'll, we'll end on the on
the simulator like we always do,

1531
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,400
Furia.
You know, you know who they are.

1532
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,840
They're the second best.
Team in the world going to win

1533
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,040
the major.
They just look as good as they

1534
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,840
have done, don't they?
Haven't they like they're just.

1535
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,800
It's awesome.
They're just really good.

1536
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,960
With the caveat they played G2
in a 2O game.

1537
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,080
There you go Elliot.
I've got the the link for you

1538
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,000
ready.
It's the simulator.

1539
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,720
I am, isn't it?
On that as well.

1540
01:19:55,720 --> 01:20:00,040
Shame that GT went 20223, but
that's just the nature of right

1541
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,920
format.
I feel like I don't want to

1542
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,720
change any of these four and I'd
need convincing otherwise.

1543
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,080
Maybe phase beat mouse I?
Think mouse.

1544
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,000
Have yips?
I think Falcons will beat

1545
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:17,440
Spirit.
I think Falcons aren't in form

1546
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:20,120
for that.
I think they have a better IGL,

1547
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,360
they have more firepower
overall.

1548
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:28,520
It's a lot of heavy lifting for
Dunk to have to do, and Dunk

1549
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:33,440
always drops off against Nico.
What if he what if he's he's

1550
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,120
just decided he's not going to
this time?

1551
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,200
Then what?
Well, they in that case Spirit

1552
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,960
might win, but like.
I I.

1553
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,120
I, I normally I agree with with
the point you're making, right?

1554
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:48,520
I, I, I don't think he's even
entertaining the, the thought of

1555
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,760
dropping off.
I think spirit Falcons have not

1556
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,520
been that good and they have
spirit have been excellent.

1557
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,320
Sorry.
I mean, monosy's now warmed up.

1558
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,400
Monosy's warmed up in the last
game.

1559
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,080
Kiosuke is really good.
Nico you can't really criticize.

1560
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,040
Like I don't think this is as
nailed in as you 2 seem to.

1561
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,840
I think it's nailed on.
It's no.

1562
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,400
But I think it's it's important
to have faith in in the team you

1563
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:13,360
want to.
Win.

1564
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,960
It's like, it's like the man of
destiny versus the man who's

1565
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,920
destined not to win.
It's like just it's the guy with

1566
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,640
plot armor versus Nico who has
the opposite.

1567
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,560
Well, I've got.
Armor is in in my Pickens.

1568
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,040
I've got the final beam.
Falcons versus Furio.

1569
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,080
So Falcons.
Be vitality.

1570
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,520
Yeah.
Well, I think, are we doing this

1571
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,480
democratically?
I think this is mine.

1572
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,120
I'm, I'm down for, I'm, I'm
pretty sure that we're going to

1573
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,600
like if we do it democratically,
this is the way it ends up,

1574
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,160
right?
OK, I mean, thankfully, like

1575
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,920
this is only three games, so we
can't just discuss alternatives.

1576
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,960
I I see I see all these other
results of the fine are are the

1577
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:53,720
same.
But this is how I.

1578
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,000
See it?
Yeah, I can see mouse losing to

1579
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,560
Phase I I know I said phase, but
I.

1580
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,760
Don't think whoever wins I.
Didn't realise they were playing

1581
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,320
mouse.
Yeah of course they lose.

1582
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,680
Really.
So it doesn't really matter.

1583
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,080
No it doesn't.
But I can't spirit fury A.

1584
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,160
Final mouse, just have mouse
just get Big Brother by Faze

1585
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:09,960
every time.
I don't know.

1586
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,640
Why?
And I'm I'm happy with.

1587
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,080
Either I'm pretty sure the last
time they played mouse

1588
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,840
absolutely fucking different.
Yeah, they, they, they.

1589
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,400
Probably think, I think Jim Fat
went like 20-4 and two or

1590
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,280
something silly.
He absolutely.

1591
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,280
Shit.
Yeah, but that, that was before.

1592
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,640
That was before Jacob awoke.
Jacob's awake now.

1593
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,000
Yeah, he's at the back of Game
Over.

1594
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,160
He's he's back to the back of
sleep.

1595
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,400
No, no, no.
Jacob's awake now.

1596
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,960
It's over for us all.
I don't know, Mouse, mouse on a

1597
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:42,320
major I, I find it very
difficult to bet on mouse,

1598
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,160
metaphorically bet on mouse on a
major stage.

1599
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,520
Just just they're just, they're
just not going to.

1600
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:51,880
I'm not going to do it.
They never do.

1601
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,600
It Zertian is is just always
very good though, like he always

1602
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:55,960
has been torture.
He's like.

1603
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,240
He hasn't always been good on
stage.

1604
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:00,360
Zertian is the best.
Very mouse.

1605
01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:07,120
By a, by a, by a landmark,
landmark, landslide, whatever.

1606
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:12,200
By a landmark Torji home crowd.
Does that even exist?

1607
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,200
Does that does that matter?
Sorry, I don't.

1608
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,640
I'd just like to remind you that
while Elliot's here saying they

1609
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,200
never do it on a major stage, on
the last major stage they played

1610
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:24,600
on they beat Spirit in 1/4
final, so they certainly do.

1611
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,680
Do who did they lose the semi?
Final Maui spirit.

1612
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,080
Vitality.
Final.

1613
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:33,680
Yeah, I don't, I don't I I'm.
Spirit win the major.

1614
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,120
I don't experience.
The spirit or fury?

1615
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,080
Are winning, but I think, I
think they beat Vitality in the

1616
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,520
final, you know.
They can't beat vitality again,

1617
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,760
man.
Why not?

1618
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,080
No.
They got to beat someone, No.

1619
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,960
No, no, like, no, I just I would
like I would like to have a

1620
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,680
different final.
I'm tired of seeing vitality

1621
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,720
just get bullied by by fallen
and Molodo.

1622
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,760
It's great, but it's just like,
you know, something like dead

1623
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,040
horse.
And that's why Parovision should

1624
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,160
be in the playoffs.
Right on.

1625
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,000
Right end the fucking podcast.
Thanks for watching friends.

1626
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,000
Thanks for watching.
Cheers.

1627
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,640
I've been Yukinda.
Follow me at Yukinda.

1628
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,720
I've been we've got we've got
fallen down here.

1629
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,240
Oh.
Right we're.

1630
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:26,360
Going and oh.
My for much worse, Daphne.

1631
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:28,840
I've been.
Daphne, Yeah.

1632
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:32,680
So he's been kicked from kicked
from Furia, just.

1633
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,600
Watching guys.
We'll be back after the major

1634
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:41,400
discuss furious glorious win and
how Mouse lost in the

1635
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,240
quarterfinalist The Face Clan to
your.

1636
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,640
Name Plug the podcast.
No, no, the newsletter.

1637
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,120
Even the newsletter.
Listen to the newsletter.

1638
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,800
Watch the podcast.
We've got lots of newsletters

1639
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,480
happening throughout playoffs
friends, so if you're not

1640
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:58,000
subscribed and you and you can't
watch the games or you want to

1641
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,840
know what the genius is at TLDR
think we'll have one?

1642
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,000
Every day.
Read the podcast.

1643
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:03,960
Yeah.
Take school.

1644
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,840
Don't stay in.
Don't stay in drugs.