“Spirit should kick Chopper”, OG regress with cadiaN, and why FURIA are the favourites for the Major

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Santa Claus, the magic of the FA
Cup, and GTA6, these are all

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things people still delusionally
believe in.

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But what do you, 2 Sam and Jack
delusionally believe in in the

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world of Counter Strike?
Ted Kaczynski.

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I mean, he was real.
He was a real.

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People in the world of Counter
Strike.

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Really got real fellow.
You're about to say names like

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Hampus, Nathani, and perhaps
even Chopper.

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Why can I not believe in the
Unabomber?

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Nathani is the truth.
I'm a terror.

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A terrorist of your own.
Yes.

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OK, I understand.
Go on, Jack.

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That's good.
Yeah, I believe.

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I believe in Nathani still.
I think.

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I think if spirit they have to
make changes, which they don't

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because Chopper's really good.
He's actually the solution.

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It's not.
It's not Boomich.

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It's not funny.
Oh, OK, you could.

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Have I mean that's.
The that this is actually a good

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offer.
They could kick Zwey because

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he's pretty shit, you know that?
That also is an option.

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Yeah, I I kind of agree.
I mean he.

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He.
I mean he.

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Is going, Isn't he so, so, so,
so on?

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Dix is at his.
Home we will.

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We will get on to that very
shortly.

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Yeah, I think my actual counter
Strike belief, even though he

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has justified it more than other
people, is probably Alexi B.

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Confirmation bias.
Of what?

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Him being good one a few times
to me not.

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Really what not really what
confirmation is I'm a little.

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Confused.
No, You're you're.

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No, because you're saying that
he actually is good and you

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believe in him when, yeah, he's
only had success for three

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months out of his career.
Not really sure.

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I mean, that's more.
Success than.

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Daphne's had no.
Not at all.

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Daphne is a is AI am Calivita
winner brackets online.

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He's I am, he's a room winner.
I've got SO.

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Many.
He's never won an IEM.

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Oh, you won Rio?
Yeah, Daphne would have been a

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major, a major winner if if he
was on spirit.

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OK, look, I've got loads of
these.

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I mean, I wrote an ask or I
talked about Dock as a what if

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player.
That's my delusion.

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That's my most delusional 1.
I think that's that's

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particularly delusional.
I've got Mia.

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I still think Mia's good and I
still kind of believe in.

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Was Mia ever good?
Like, like good like?

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I'm sure he was fine.
Was he ever good?

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He was he HLTV #21 one yeah,
they're like he just missed out

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on top 20 by one place.
OK, and what's what's the fellow

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who was on verse pro never threw
grenades?

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Chiron.
Chiron.

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I loved Chiron.
Still think he's good?

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Still think he's got.
It Chiron.

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He's actually crap.
Yeah, of course he is.

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But I still like him.
Yeah, no, of course he is.

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But I still, I still kind of
feel it.

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I'm surprised you didn't say
Patsy Jack this.

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Is delusion.
He's really good.

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He's really, really good.
I, you know, I used to go to

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school with somebody who like, I
mean, when I was very, very

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young, we, we had to introduce
ourselves with a name and the

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fun fact about ourselves.
And he just went, my name's

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Nathan and I don't believe in
octopuses, which is, that's the

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most delusional belief.
It was.

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That's his actual most
delusional belief ever on that

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we will roll the intro music.
I am Chengdu.

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That's what you guys have been
watching.

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If you've been up 3:00 with us
three or later in the day if

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you're from further east or
earlier in the night if you're

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from the West.
Not much.

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We just, we had to be up so
early to watch this, but I'm

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glad we were because this was
actually a super fun tournament.

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As you can see on your screen,
if you've got a screen, you can

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see who won.
We actually want to start with

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the start of the play.
Well, actually just before the

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play offs because that's where
we ended last week's podcast and

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we had a bit of a conversation
in the week about spirit that we

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wanted to bring onto the
podcast.

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Sam, state your case.
What does Spirit need to do?

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Well #1 Zwey needs to go, don't
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Because he's just like, he's not
cutting it.

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But I'd also like to point out
Tania.

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Charlie, if you could click on
Tania, please.

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So past three months, they are
not particularly nice stats

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considering how he was playing
before that.

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Like for the for the sake of it,
Charlie, if you just whack it on

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to 2025, I know that will have
the spirit time in that is a

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very big drop off, right?
And look, look, I know we've

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spoken about this before.
I know that you know Russian

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Igls.
That.

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There's not exactly many good
ones, but I just think if we're

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at a point now where 4 separate
players are struggling in these

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two extra spots in spirit and
that they actually probably

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don't win as many events as they
should considering the fact that

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they have Duncan Shiro.
And also they have had some

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pretty fucking disastrous tee
size recently and it was a huge

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problem in Chengdu.
Maybe, just maybe, it might be

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time to look at someone other
than Chopper.

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And here's the thing, before you
say it, before you say it, I'm

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not 100% convinced anyone would
be better than Chopper.

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I have reservations about
Boomich.

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I have reservations about
Nathanie, with serious

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reservations about him,
actually.

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And your other option is like
Leah, who you'd be promoting

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from like one solid Namega run
that's dropped, dropped off a

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Cliff since they lost way.
But are we really saying that

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everything we see from Spirit is
actually acceptable, or are we

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just a little biased?
So I've got a couple of things

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to say.
First of all, there is another

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option for Russian IGL.
No, don't say it.

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It's Jane.
Even if it's Jane in a fallen

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arc, it's Jane.
Jane is almost certainly the

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best Russian IGL.
Oh, without.

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Without.
Almost certain the best Russian

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IGL.
But here's the thing.

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So even if he has he, he
actually rifles so, so, so he

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actually rifles a lot on
Teesside nowadays.

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It's something that I looked
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I somebody like sent me some
data on it.

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Yeah, he rifles a lot on
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But but rifling a lot on.
T James James won a major and

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and about and and five year cell
challenges and shoppers won a

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major and Cato and Cologne.
Yeah, there's there's level to

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this game.
On the right but the but The

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thing is like.
Yeah, he rifling on Teesside.

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Respect.
OK, rifling on Teesside is one

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thing.
Elliot, like a lot of people

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rifle on Teesside more than they
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That is just kind of the the way
the game has gone.

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You've seen the same data as I
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Rifling on CT side is another
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have a fallen arc.
He's not horrible on a rifle,

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but Jane.
Pretty good on a rifle actually.

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But Jane could also have a
Kadian arc and that's he could.

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That's obviously a big concern.
But but I think there's, I think

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it's I look, if you're going to
change Chopper, I'd rather Jane

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on a rifle than Nathanny or
Boomage or Leah personally or

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Jerry like like Jerry, I think
that's a better shout.

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Bring him back.
Yeah, well, well, exactly right.

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Like but but we've.
But we've always said the same

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thing, right?
In that Jane needs soldiers.

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Who do you see?
Well, that's why you replace.

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You replace David Norbert.
Is 1 soldier an.

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Illegal.
An illegal suggestion?

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Well, but yeah, but like, Jane
would be a soldier in this case

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because he wouldn't be.
Awkward.

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But Jane also never had a donk
or a shiro, right?

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Like has he ever actually had to
call with with such *?

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Power no so be you have to you
have to like.

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Shiro becomes what would be Jane
in the old VP system, which was

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mean Jane is free to be a
soldier.

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You would bring in Norbert to be
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Donk becomes like flair or fame
and then Tania can be the other

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one.
Probably flair.

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Well, no Norbert's Yakinda
because Norbert became Yakinda

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and Yakinda there and he was
really good at it.

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Actually.
He was like, he like had an

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uptick in performance when he
was like.

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Being in the battle though, is
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No, he's not, but you, just like
he doesn't need to kill him.

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The criticism about his way is
why he's in is reasonable,

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right?
I think like it's totally fair.

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And I think we all know this is
just a Band-Aid to fix for, for

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until Zontix has had his
sabbatical or whatever, right?

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Tania was the best player on a
bad team and is now the third

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best player on a very good team.
He's not going to put the same

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numbers up, is he like like I
think it's silly to think that

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he's not been as good as we'd
hoped.

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I like, I'd agree with that, but
he's also positionally he was

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set up in heroic to to perform
right and to to have success.

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He's not set up in the same way
because the system requires.

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But I think that's.
Attributes, right?

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I think that's bullshit,
honestly, I think that's cope.

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So.
So you're telling me I'm.

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I mean, you call it what you
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It's not cope but it but it's.
But but so you're telling me

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that Fallen can set up free
people for success and Apex can

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set up free people for success?
Fucking Brolan can set up free

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people for success but Chopper
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Success.
No, but like what?

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Why is Spirit the only team?
No, but he can.

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He's setting.
He's setting up.

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He's setting up the best player
in the world and probably the

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second, third best opera in the
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By the way, what Charlie has
just brought up is a list of

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games that I've found from this
year, because obviously Spirit

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don't actually lose that much.
All of these losses are due to.

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Port.
So what are we complaining?

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Yeah, well, I mean you can.
Point to lots of I, I mean, I

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watched, I watched the the semi,
I watched vitality versus mouth

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at this event and these were
some of the worst teesides I've

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ever seen.
I think we're just in a matter

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with Teesides, Armstrong and
also also also also it's

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literally like saying, oh, you
lose the matches where where you

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don't you concede more goals.
Yeah.

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Of course, yeah, if you're
having a, if you're going to

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lose the game, you get one of
your slightly.

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Worse.
It's not like that.

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How it is and I think.
This is a repeated problem.

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If it was, if they only lost, if
they only lost about tee size,

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fine.
But I think you've selected data

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where they've had had bad.
No, no, no, no, no, Jack, they

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don't not.
Necessarily no.

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They only have.
They don't lose much more than

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this.
Yeah.

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But so of course they're see.
Of course they're see.

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From the start of this is from
the start of the year and

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there's like what, 10 games
there, but whatever.

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Of course they're not.
They're not going to have bad CT

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sides because a the game's CT
sided and B they have 4 like

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star.
Level players the game hasn't

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been seated of.
Course the CT sides.

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It hasn't been.
Most of the maps in the map pool

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were T sided.
I mean, what when I looked at

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the, when I looked at the round
win data from this year, there

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weren't that many teams who were
positive.

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So this is this is right what my
eye brought up right.

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And I think I'm not sure if that
if that tweet is actually the

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one about Chopper, but I think
Spirit had like at least average

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T side win rate during during
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Like maybe Elliot had the size
someone had it, but they weren't

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awful.
Like like I think people were

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just generally not having good
tee size.

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I think that's that's more of a,
a general thing, right?

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It's not.
I also I'm also, and this is a

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bit of a change of tact, but I'm
pretty sure Halle is like the

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system guy in spirit.
I'm pretty sure there's a thing

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that like Ali basically came out
in an interview and was like, in

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my opinion, the the coach is
like a football manager and it's

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down to the the players to
fulfil my vision on the like in

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the server.
So I think whoever you have IGL,

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you're probably going to get
something that looks quite

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similar to that.
I also think the system is

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clearly just set up to get the
best out of doc like that.

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That's why would it be.
Why wouldn't it be?

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Well, quite right.
Fine.

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And it it may be that comes at
the detriment of other players

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when that's a, that's a
fairpoint.

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But like, I also think I also
don't, I don't know, like if you

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change to a system a like a more
structured system, they're

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clearly a little bit loose at
the moment You change to a more

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structured system, like do you
lose some of that power from

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Dong?
I think you probably do.

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And there's a world where they
change to like, accommodate

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tenure and they actually just
get weaker because Dong is no

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longer the best player in the
world.

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I he.
Will I think?

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It's it's all Well, he will.
But there is a word.

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It's all well and good.
Just looking at Spirit on the

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face value and being like, OK,
they came properly into Tier 1

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after like a small break January
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Since then they've won Cato
Cologne, a major.

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It's great doing that and
obviously it's very impressive

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that they've done that in such a
short span of time.

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They've also had a lot of
disappointment in that time and

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when you look at the fact that
they have Don Conchiro, Donkey

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is like playing at a peak level
that realistically we haven't

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seen before because he's a
rifler and not an author.

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Like even if it is mildly lower
rated than simple, I don't know

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if it is or not, I'd still say
it's.

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I think it's about.
In a sense, he's better because

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he's on a rifle.
No, but I mean, even if the

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number's lower like it's, it's
better.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I know.

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Yeah.
I don't, I don't actually think

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that just winning those is OK.
We saw Vitality win what, 7

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events in a row?
Like obviously that's also a

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freak thing, but Spirit should
have won more than they have and

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I don't see how it can't be a
system issue.

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So if it if that's down to
Hallie, then Hallie's the guy

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who has to go and you give
Chopper another chance.

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But I just think when other
teams managed to have a passive

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rifling star, an aggro lurking
star, and an Orping star, Spirit

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should probably look to do that
too.

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And then they'll probably have a
more consistent system that

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leads to more fucking trophies.
Only one of those teams with

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those systems has won more than
Spirit this year.

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Like Vitality, IF won
everything.

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Yeah, it's also yeah, like how
do you compare?

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How do you like Falcons?
Also to it a year where one team

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has been dominant as well,
right?

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Like obviously they could.
Have beaten.

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I still think it's it's and I'm
looking it starts now.

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Mirage is the only map where
they have a red TTT 100%.

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They have like 50 or more on on
every other map for the in this

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year online so.
You have to remember as.

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Well, I don't think it's
actually a fair on.

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Quite a few bad teams.
So when they play the teams

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around their level that it's
generally more of a concern.

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Yeah, like.
Sure.

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But like I don't that's true.
That's true of everyone.

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Like that's true of all the big
teams.

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Yeah, fine.
But if the big teams beaten them

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consistently.
I disagree, I disagree, I

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disagree, but they're not being
interested because they won

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Cologne and they weren't they
weren't a favorite.

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Cologne.
Oh, great.

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OK, they OK, They won.
They won one tournament.

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Well done.
What?

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What else have they won this
year?

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Bounties and like.
I think we've we're in the most,

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we're in the most competitive
time of seriously we've ever

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had.
Like, of course, don't win

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everything.
Mongols won an event, but hardly

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won most of them.
Fury just won an event.

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The top five is.
So we're saying, so we're.

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Saying team.
So we're saying your team can be

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dominant and we also do we think
we've done Conchiro that spirit

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probably are the team best set
up to be dominant.

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Would you want is?
Would you want?

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Is there line up any better than
Is there line up any better than

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Falcons?
Yeah, exactly.

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On on on a pure paper.
On paper, I think Falcons.

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Probably role for role.
Pretty close to Don Hashiro.

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Maybe.
Honestly, I'm not sure Kaosuke

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and Dunk are equal.
No whoa.

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Kaosuke is Bish, Nico and Donk
and then Kaosuke and and Tenir

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which is.
Well, Falcon would win in that

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regard, I would say.
It's like it's like pretty close

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at least.
And then like for vitality, it's

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like Flames versus Tenir, Zai Wu
versus also Cheira.

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Didn't didn't for your life.
OK, don't beats anyone you put

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him against but.
Didn't Falcons just beat them

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because he, because Donk does
actually not beat everyone

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Because Nico is like his
kryptonite?

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Well, yeah, I think that that is
awesome.

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Yeah, I mean, like I, I, I don't
think the spirit like obviously

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Donk is the best player in the
world, but he is also set up

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more than any other player in
the world.

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I think that's pretty much
unarguable, Like he is the best

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player at all and he should be
salvable than anyone else.

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That is fine.
But I also don't, I actually

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don't think this spirit team is
as like, oh, they should win

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everything.
They should.

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OK, you can say they've won one
trophy this year.

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Maybe they should want two or
three.

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But like, Falcons probably
should win two or three.

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Vitality should win two or
three.

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Like it's kind of just like,
yeah, there's only one winner of

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each tournament.
Yeah, right.

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I think the bigger issue is that
Spirit have these super low

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loads like that's that's fun,
but that's going to happen when

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you play a loose style.
But the other issues with

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Falcons is that everyone knows
there's a fucking constant

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target on their back, and that
probably doesn't help anyone in

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the team.
But in all seriousness, that

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probably doesn't help anyone in
that team because only a couple

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of names know that they're 100%
safe all the time.

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Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.

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Like Falcons have their own
pressure as Falcons.

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And donkey is obviously set up,
but like, I think because of the

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looser style, he's not as set up
as this argument suggests he is.

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I'm not saying he.
Is I don't know man, I he has a

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rifle every round.
There's that side of it, but

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sure.
I mean, it's not Sanji dropping

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Jay morphs every round.
But I also, I think being this

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this entry aggressive player,
like being set up as having a

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flash run for you here and
there, right?

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Like, like he's still hitting
the shots and ripping heads

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himself.
Like that's still just him being

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good.
Yeah, yeah.

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Do you know what I mean?
Like I don't.

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What I mean is he still takes a.
Lot.

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He's not the way an Orpo would
be, I would say.

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Yeah, he takes a lot of fights
purely on the basis of being

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dunk than a system making him
dunk, yeah, if that makes sense.

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But but, but then would would
the system a, a, a actual?

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So if you had like a, a, a
really structured IGL, would he

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not be able to take these
fights?

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Like, is that not like donkey's
going to take these fights

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regardless of the system?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So if you have a better.
System have to be benched.

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But if if you have a better
system, then you can also have

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like someone like Tania who
we've seen is a genuine tier one

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talent be be supported within
the system or and then you have

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a third star and then you are
talking about winning trophies

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more consistently.
It just would happen.

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But that is the problem.
The problem.

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Is yeah, which is fine, but but.
Which is my entire point.

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I think the problem is the dead
weight you have in the team

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you've got, you've got as right
who's like 17 kills in a in a,

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in a series like his last.
I'm not, no, I'm not saying

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he's.
In in this but I think.

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Kaisuke had a stink and you
know, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
But my main point still stands

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in that Spirit cannot seem to
get anything out of more than

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two people.
And that is a problem because if

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you look at the other teams like
you kinda molad oi Kaiser or you

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swap Yuri for any one of those
names.

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Fucking exertion.
Tulsi Spinks, Rocks Flames, Zai

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Wu like it take it.
Take your pick on any trio for

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these teams.
They're all getting something

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out of trios spirit.
Don't that has to be a systemic

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problem when you when you see it
across now multiple names in

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both of those positions.
It's a problem with the system.

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So something within the system
has to change, whether that's

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Chopper or Halle, because they
don't win as consistently.

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Do you need three people?
I'd also say that.

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That I think when every other
team does you.

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Don't when spirit, when spirit
win, man, they win.

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Well, they win comfortably,
right?

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But the Cologne final was not
tough for them, I don't think.

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But wait, what's?
You know.

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Basically.
I don't think they need to copy

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everyone else.
If they win twice a year, it's

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cool.
Is that, is that what we're

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saying?
Like they shouldn't strive to be

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better because if they win twice
a year just because like I mean

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players have insane firepower
then it's all cool.

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If it's, I think that's fine,
yeah.

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I think that's a pretty pussy
approach to it to be honest.

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If it's an IEM and a major I
feel like.

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I think you're winning.
Yeah, fine.

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And then at the end of the day
like.

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Become the best team in the
world though.

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When was the last time you
thought Spirit was the best

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team?
But no one said they were.

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But they obviously want to be.
My team doesn't want to be the

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best team in the world when
they're at that level.

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And when when was the best time?
I'm sure they want the best

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team.
Seemingly seemingly mouse,

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seemingly mouse like we've been
on this for like 15 minutes,

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let's move on because we're
going to get nowhere.

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No, I I don't think it's as
Chopper's, I don't think this is

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entirely Chopper's fault.
I think there's probably more

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problems with that team.
I think there's yeah, I mean,

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this was as very fault.
It's also kind of like, you

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know, the system's set up for
Donk to do well.

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If he can't beat Nico, then
there's kind of a.

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Problem.
And also also just just on this

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Falcons game, Donk didn't play
very well.

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Like he just had a bad game.
And I know, and I know Sam is

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going to say.
Built around someone being good.

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I know Sam's going to say well,
yeah, if your sister's built

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around Donk playing well, it's
not very good.

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If there's one player in Counter
Strike history, you can

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guarantee we'll play well in 95%
of the game.

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Yeah, it is Donk.
We will move on onto playoffs.

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Why are Australis in playoffs?
That's my first question.

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Shouldn't be there, waste of
time.

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They were looking at.
The right.

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Foot the the event until
playoffs.

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Really.
I mean, they, they took a map.

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I took a map.
Vitality, really.

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I actually thought Vitality were
really quite poor in this

449
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,600
playoffs.
They were, no, they were not

450
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,720
good at all.
They showed off.

451
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,160
Well, yeah, we'll breeze over
them beating Australis because

452
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,200
they were Australis were just
never going to win this game.

453
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:24,840
About what?
Like this?

454
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,360
There's just no, it doesn't.
It doesn't matter that it was

455
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,760
21.
They weren't going to win.

456
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,320
Mouse, we we need to have a
conversation now.

457
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,760
You have been inexperienced on
stage as long as Theo Wolcott

458
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,680
has been a young prospect.
This is this is this is not OK.

459
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,000
You can't keep choking on stage
now Like this is just like you

460
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,320
have to beat Vitality on stage
at some point you have to they

461
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,880
can't beat Vitality on stage.
I.

462
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,000
Mean didn't they technically
beat?

463
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,720
Didn't they technically beat
Vitality on stage in the group

464
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,320
stage?
The group stage.

465
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,120
Also that's on a stage.
Stage meaning playoffs.

466
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,320
They technically beat.
Yeah, exactly.

467
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,000
This is what this is.
This is where we're at.

468
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,760
They're technically beating them
on stage.

469
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,400
Yeah, great.
Fucking do they not want to be

470
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,200
the best team in the world?
I mean it would be the best

471
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,520
exertion was was one was one V5
for playoffs.

472
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,960
The.
Position was actually 1V5 for

473
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,240
the whole event.
But but this is this is the

474
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:34,800
thing about mouse, right where I
know it's easy to call them

475
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,720
chokers still when they're still
when they get wins in Group

476
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,040
stages or whatever.
But how do you just think every

477
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120
win that mouse gets against
Vitality?

478
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:50,400
It's probably like it's the
bridge before a bridge Too far,

479
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,400
ain't it?
Do you know what I mean?

480
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Like they're not as good as
Vitality.

481
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,760
They never will be.
Vitality is.

482
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Playing OK, OK, you could.
OK, OK, I know what you're

483
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,920
saying, but this was a joke.
That they should have won.

484
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,480
This was a bone of they weren't
well, well, yeah.

485
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,640
OK, they won't train and they.
Should have won as well.

486
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,200
You want to talk about dog shit
Teesside?

487
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720
You want to talk about Nuke?
Nuke was unwatched.

488
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,440
No, no, no.
It was so bad.

489
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,600
That did happen in this game,
but like as as a general point

490
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:30,840
though, mouse are very good, but
I think they even know deep down

491
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,680
that they're not quite good
enough.

492
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,440
Do you know how many Teesside
gun rounds were won in this game

493
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,360
in the first map?
Wasn't it 211 for each team?

494
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,120
It it was like two or three.
It was like, I know Vitality won

495
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:54,800
a tech 9 force and mouse won a
force back an eco round and I

496
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:00,080
think a second eco round and I'm
pretty sure Vitality won two gun

497
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,880
rounds.
I think that was it.

498
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:07,520
It like they had eight chances
and nuke is not a map anymore

499
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,480
where like the CT side should be
this dominant No, in my opinion

500
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,360
and I know it's MR12 so like
whatever, but they kind of went

501
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:21,280
to overtime and won 1613 anyway.
This was a horrible, horrible T

502
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,880
side from both teams to be quite
frank and a horrendous joke from

503
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600
mouth.
I I some of the rat like I know

504
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,080
like you can look at Zai woo
having 30 kills.

505
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,160
I think it was the last he's
under the last round of

506
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,640
regulation or one of the last
rounds of overtime where he gets

507
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,240
4 kills from ramp with an orb
and he's literally just re

508
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
peeking into them and there
there's no util, there's no

509
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,600
flashes.
They haven't tried to Molly him

510
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,480
out.
I think they just assume every

511
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,240
time he's dropped off and he's
just he's just fighting and he

512
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,960
just kills all four of them 1 by
1.

513
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720
With an all device did the same
vitality, didn't it?

514
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,200
It's just like, yeah, the
standard of Nuke.

515
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,720
I think from from these teams
that it was so bad.

516
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,240
Vitality, you're kind of bad at
a lot of maps, like I know you

517
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,800
wanted to.
Talk No, no, the train is.

518
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,120
At the moment.
No, they actually.

519
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,440
No, it's just.
Not good at the moment this.

520
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,440
This is a point, but that is
train is is is so uninvolved.

521
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,520
I think we can.
I think we can now.

522
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,960
So move into the. 2 dimensional.
To talk about this right, so I

523
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,440
was going to make a brief
comment there about how Newt

524
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Nuke used to be the marker of
the best team in the world,

525
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,040
where I'm not sure it is
anymore.

526
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,120
I think it's probably train or
Overpass right now at least.

527
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,840
More likely train.
Just just before also we get

528
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,320
into the final obviously period
to drop a Maple playoffs,

529
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,240
they're no longer just a a kind
of flaky, fun team that they're

530
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,920
obviously good.
Yeah, well, let's briefly.

531
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,840
They should have beaten Falcons.
They demolished I, I felt and

532
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,920
then obviously this final what
we're going into now, but.

533
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,080
Yeah, you've just, you've
quickly gone over the quarter

534
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,800
final, semi finals, they've
absolutely smashed Mongols and

535
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,440
absolutely smashed Falcons by a
very similar score line.

536
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Like, yeah, yeah.
I just under those.

537
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,640
Games weren't really worth
talking about as a result.

538
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,160
Yeah, yeah, just just well.
I think they are because they

539
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,280
were that good, right?
But yeah.

540
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,360
No, but we can talk about that
in context of Fury and let's

541
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
let's let's stick with finality
for a second.

542
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,360
Their map pool is fucking
horrible right now.

543
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Their nuke is not particularly
great.

544
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,400
Their overpass is not
particularly great.

545
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,720
Their train is fucking horrible.
Like their train is seriously

546
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,040
bad because it's the exact same
train that they played at the

547
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:43,480
start of the year.
So I think they're currently.

548
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,040
Very untrusted with the major.
Must you be?

549
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,800
Yeah, definitely.
How?

550
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,200
How bad can it be that you float
your insta ban?

551
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,800
I know fear don't play it
either, but you'd rather ban

552
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,360
train a map you picked at this
event, You've picked it twice in

553
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,640
this event and you've banned it
in ABFI final because you don't

554
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,720
trust yourself on it?
That's insane.

555
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,000
And Ancient was closer than it
should have been for a team that

556
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,280
don't for a team that don't play
it?

557
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,160
What the fuck?
That's an exist video I think.

558
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,960
It says AI think it says a lot
about the current.

559
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,960
I think it says a lot about the
current mindset of vitality that

560
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,720
they sat there and yes, they did
end up removing the right one

561
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720
out of the two because they
would have got fucking spanked

562
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800
on train.
But they sat there and said, you

563
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560
know what?
Fury are actually better than us

564
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,720
on Train and Overpass and we
have to get rid of one of them

565
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,640
now.
To your ancient point, Vitality

566
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,400
should have won that map.
Fallen really bailed Furor out.

567
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Really, really bailed Furor out.
So Vitality should have been.

568
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,080
One of the series.
And that and that gamble, I'd

569
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:13,560
say that route was pissed poor.
But you know, it's like, and and

570
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,920
it's something that I
interviewed you kinda this

571
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:24,720
morning and he said it like
Fallen did bail Fury out in this

572
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,360
series on every map.
Vitality could and realistically

573
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,800
should have won every map in
this final.

574
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,000
But the fact that they didn't,
it goes just really somewhat

575
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,760
where Vitality are at right now.
And I know I said it a couple

576
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,840
minutes ago, but I have a
feeling, Elliot, you might not

577
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,360
have been with us in that
moment.

578
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,560
Vitality are really, really far
away from winning a major right

579
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,360
now.
Really far away.

580
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,240
Yeah, which which seems like a
strange thing to say about a

581
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
team who just got to the final
of an IEM.

582
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,800
But like they were unconvincing
in the semi final.

583
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,200
They should have lost that semi
final 2.

584
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,160
Now they jumped a map to
Australis and you look at Furia

585
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,160
and you're like, yeah, this this
is clearly a better team than

586
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Vitality right now.
You look at Falcons and you

587
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,000
think actually Falcons, do you
think they have a better chance

588
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
of vitality?
I kind of do, to be honest.

589
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,640
I don't know.
I don't know how you feel.

590
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:31,400
But see, I don't go on Jack.
We should get a rematch of this

591
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,240
in the upper final of Flash
Rivals.

592
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Fewer are facing Pain, Vitality,
Tyloo in the opening rounds and

593
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,320
the brackets should lead them to
face each other.

594
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,400
And I know it's been like 3 days
since since Shangdu.

595
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,240
I don't even know I'm, I'm, I'm
out of it really.

596
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,040
It'll be interesting to see see
the 2nd result, especially when

597
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,920
it's not final.
Maybe the pressure is not not as

598
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,600
on.
But yeah, it it's wild that a

599
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,120
team that's been as dominant as
Vitality have been this year can

600
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,520
potentially go into the major
not looking like a favorite, not

601
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,160
even looking like a real
contender.

602
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,800
No, I mean, I would say I think
that.

603
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Like they'll they'll mid
playoffs but.

604
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,960
They're still obviously a
favorite.

605
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,440
Like so it's it's a funny one,
right?

606
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,800
Because like when it comes to
Falcons, I think history tells

607
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,800
you that Nico is never a
favorite a major like as good as

608
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,280
his team can be, you have to
just consider them not

609
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,280
favourites, which which is a
shame, right?

610
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,960
And I also think Falcons still
have some composure issues.

611
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,040
Like I can't remember who the
fuck he did the interview with.

612
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Maybe it was like just two DK or
something, but I remember seeing

613
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,719
a quote from testers saying
something like, oh, we're not

614
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,960
going to see we don't want to
see any more mini maps after our

615
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,080
games, you know, from like that
that unloosable rounds.

616
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,800
And then they literally lost one
to Fury Falcons as a team have

617
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,680
composure issues, but they they
just do.

618
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:06,120
So I think as well as they are
playing still not convinced that

619
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,200
when the the pressure's on and
they're in these massive games

620
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:16,960
that they can win a major.
So I think the favourites are

621
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,040
probably as they've been all
year in like Vitality, Spirit

622
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,080
and then now Furia, because you
can't count out Fury.

623
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,920
I know what I said earlier.
I think Furia right now, I

624
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,360
think.
Furia might be the favorite,

625
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,440
yeah.
Which is Matt.

626
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Well, I think as well.
As a favorite ever won a major?

627
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,120
Yes.
Australis 3 times in a row.

628
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Yes Australis 3 times in a row.
Vitality fanatic.

629
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,440
Multiple times fanatic.
They weren't, they just nip just

630
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,880
choked.
In recent times, though, I feel

631
00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:00,000
like let's look at like Rio.
The vitality majors were won by

632
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,040
favourites.
Beat.

633
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,160
Fucking yeah they were.
Yeah, but they weren't.

634
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,600
It doesn't mean they're not the
favorite, but the The thing is

635
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,400
though, is like.
Difficult anyway.

636
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,480
Fury Fury's a favorite in a
really interesting sense because

637
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,960
like if you look at like
Vitality before Austin, they

638
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:34,040
were obviously just the best.
And if if you look at vitality

639
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,360
and heroic before Paris, they
were the 2 like best teams in

640
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,760
the world.
So they were the two favourites.

641
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:45,360
Furia are like Cloud 9 outsiders
and Gambit on crack.

642
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:52,360
If if that makes sense in in
that they should really be like

643
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040
the 5th best team in the world
or the 5th favorite, fifth

644
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,800
favorite to win it.
But actually they've won so much

645
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,600
that now they're just like the
favorite.

646
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:10,040
And that's, yeah, it's strange.
Yeah, so Furia and Vitality

647
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,800
wrapped up Chengdu wrapped up
IEM Chengdu.

648
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,280
I should say Furia with that
three nil win.

649
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Just like that, we're going to
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650
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,600
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651
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,400
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So Jack, do you find it hard to

652
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,320
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653
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,680
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I took a weekend off and I came

654
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,200
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655
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,520
Malvi's water boy got picked up
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656
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,760
Right, that's why I've been
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657
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,280
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659
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660
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661
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,200
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662
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664
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00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,080
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668
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675
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676
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677
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TLDR you don't have time to read
everything, you still want to

678
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:49,600
sound like you did.
We mentioned this man earlier

679
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,760
when we were talking about Jame
and his potential fallen arc and

680
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200
you did say Sam that he might
have a Kadian arc.

681
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960
I hope that does not include
Jame going to OG because that is

682
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:04,400
what Kadian has done today.
And I just have one question.

683
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Why money?
Can I ask which which part is

684
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,560
the?
Why?

685
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,400
Because I think there's quite a.
Few questions from this minute.

686
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,880
Take your fucking pic man, Take
your.

687
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Pic I mean I mean look right
now, I think we probably already

688
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,640
spoke about this at some point
maybe I don't know we kind of

689
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,120
try not to talk about OG but
just for the sake of it because

690
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,200
we're on it right now.
I still don't really understand.

691
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,640
I know Chris and in his they'll
tweet afterwards said like both

692
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,920
parties decided it was a good
idea but everyone always fucking

693
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,760
says that.
I just don't understand why

694
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,080
they'd why they'd bench Chris
and like he's one of the better

695
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,280
young IG LS in counter strike
right?

696
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,120
Does then.
I think he already does, right?

697
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Is there Nikka does who I'm not
like massively high on, but for

698
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,640
the level OG you're at you
actually can't get much better

699
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,120
than Nikka does.
Yeah, that's what I was going

700
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,240
to.
Say and you've then gone so so

701
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,600
why for both of those, but
you've then gone to Cadian.

702
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,480
Now I'm happy that Cadian won't
be rifling because I've seen him

703
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,440
be a rifle IGL and he was
fucking awful but.

704
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,800
I've also seen him awful.
IGL too and he was fucking awful

705
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,680
then as well, so I can't like
she's obviously a backward step

706
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,480
for Kadian, like when you when
you look at where he's been in

707
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,120
the last few.
Years.

708
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Yeah.
Off the gallows, maybe?

709
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,640
Everything is a backward.
Everything is a backward.

710
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,840
His career's done.
What was his death so like?

711
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,840
But yeah, it it you just feel
like Kadian probably should have

712
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,120
retired and became a much loved
analyst because of his sense of

713
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:11,840
humour rather than you know.
This, this, this move is, is

714
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,760
going to Turkey and getting your
hair transplant done at like 40.

715
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,920
It's like, it's like this is
what it is.

716
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,640
No, no, no, no.
But you got to respect.

717
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,720
OG.
That's people not being bold.

718
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,800
They're still bold inside
though, aren't they?

719
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,360
This.
This move is going to Greg's for

720
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,080
lunch because you can't be asked
to cook.

721
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Not sad.
I know because I can understand

722
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,520
Greg's.
Greg's is all right.

723
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,680
It's cheap and it's cheap and
sad and whatever you cooked all.

724
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,360
Of it, this move, this move is
going to the shop, walking past

725
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,280
all ingredients to buy rustlers.
You're already there.

726
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,840
Yes, Yeah, it is.
Yeah, I, I just.

727
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,480
Can't.
I knew a guy at uni who ate

728
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,240
rustlers burgers with a knife
and four that's.

729
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000
My terrible.
Posh I just can't understand it

730
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,200
from.
The thing with this move, the

731
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:07,240
thing with this move is, is, is
they've obviously those viewers

732
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:11,640
who are not visually enjoy the
podcast.

733
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Producers don't.
Want to just put a picture of

734
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Rio Ferdinand in the QPR kit?
Which, yeah, that's pretty good.

735
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,920
But it's pretty OGOG must be
signing someone good or someone

736
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,640
they must have someone who's a
right because why would they

737
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,040
consolidate that open IGL into
one role unless you there's a a

738
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,680
rifle you're getting who's good,
but who's good enough to justify

739
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,280
having catered on the team?
Like how?

740
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,960
How do you outweigh that?
I well, I know somebody who has

741
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,840
an idea.
I don't have an idea.

742
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,200
I was what I was going to say
was like, what about Nikodos to

743
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,200
100 Thieves?
He's been on so many olds, man.

744
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,440
It's not horrible, is it?
I just it's not horrible and I'm

745
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,120
not sure 100 DS are going to do
better.

746
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,960
Although although I'm also not
sure they'd do better, like I've

747
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,520
obviously said before, they
should either get claim or

748
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,880
sumpires whoever isn't on G2
next year.

749
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,320
But if they do sign a game of
Legion court, they'll probably

750
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,640
be playing at a level from the
get go that is higher than Nick

751
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,120
does his level, so it probably
also wouldn't go great.

752
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,000
I don't think I think he's that
bad, really.

753
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,080
He's not bad, he's just he's not
bad.

754
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,280
I do.
I do agree.

755
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,760
Yeah, he's he's good at Tier 2.
He's he's, you know, too good

756
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,400
for the Championship, not done
for the Premier League.

757
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
I do agree that Crizen like
Benjamin Crizen is insane If

758
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,480
like.
Which is why I think he must.

759
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,720
That's the point, to go
somewhere.

760
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,360
Yeah, like he surely is.
Like, OK, I I I've shown that

761
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,000
I'm, I'm decent in this shit
team now someone get me.

762
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,240
Someone saved me.
Maybe he's gotten the Carrigan

763
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:08,200
call.
I feel like it's a it's, it's a

764
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
little too early for.
That anything that involves

765
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,240
Carrigan's demise I'm happy
with, but.

766
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,160
I'm still convinced you he will
be the Phase IGO.

767
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,480
I'm still convinced.
Before he tanked his fucking his

768
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,760
stocks, yeah.
Doesn't matter.

769
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,400
I don't think they can.
Although phase historically are

770
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,800
very good at.
True True.

771
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,320
True.
True, True.

772
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,160
True.
Yeah, we'll just run the Real

773
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,440
Madrid, it'll run his contract
down, right.

774
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,600
Yeah, I know.
I I I hate this move for

775
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,000
everyone.
I hate it for Kadian.

776
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,560
The thing with Kadian is like he
was obviously really, really

777
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,240
good on heroic.
Nobody's going to argue

778
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,520
otherwise online.
At least online he was like a

779
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,720
1.06 ish player, but obviously a
good in game leader.

780
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,000
But literally everywhere else
has kind of been rubbish.

781
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:59,760
So like was heroic.
I think heroic was the outlier.

782
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Like OK, you can argue rogue but
like he was playing against like

783
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,600
actual piss around them.
Like on North he was.

784
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,880
Heroic is the outlier.
He should.

785
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,880
He's just the one you wrote.
He's.

786
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Just not, he's not had a good, a
good shake of the tail really.

787
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,280
Is he like you think like what's
happened to him career wise?

788
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,200
So he like, he was benched by
all the Danish teams, like no

789
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,000
one, no one wanted him.
So then he became an analyst for

790
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,960
a bit.
Then he was on Rogue fighting

791
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,560
around with fucking Hiko and.
Yeah, well, he he was.

792
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,480
What's the Aussie guy?
I forgot his name, Yeah.

793
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,440
Ricky.
They were a Tier 3 and a team,

794
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,160
yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

795
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,160
I know you could have like he
got a rogue.

796
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,720
He he was like a few rounds from
the major, if I remember.

797
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,160
I like that.
Yeah, Gage North and.

798
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,480
Then obviously heroic is
successful.

799
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,400
I'm pretty sure they lost to
North.

800
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,960
In a real two different majors.
But then listen.

801
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,360
But I don't know Heroica good.
Then the the fucking FBX thing

802
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,560
happens like middle flashpoint.
I don't know if you could

803
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,720
remember that right, But like
the team got sold and it didn't

804
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:06,000
and they they were just stranded
in lockdown summer in America.

805
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000
And then heroic is good and
actually like win a few things.

806
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,160
They obviously the EPL thing and
then like to the land.

807
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,240
They're like kind of like the
good.

808
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,480
And then his two star players
who supposedly like, you know,

809
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,760
see him as like a father figure
and a Big Brother and stuff,

810
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,960
decide to go actually fuck you.
They, you know, they mutiny and

811
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,360
go to to Australis.
We all know how well that's gone

812
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,800
for them.
Can I can I stop you there?

813
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,960
Fuck it, like and and then you
may.

814
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,520
Everything you said up to this
point, but I feel like when

815
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,680
Elliot said heroic is the
outlier, this is also the point

816
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,360
where the, you know, the tail
turns on its on its head because

817
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,400
you look at the Liquid team,
yeah, he's not been a great or

818
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,920
five GL in CS2 because he's all
been took a real hit.

819
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,720
But that Liquid team, you know,
should have worked out, and

820
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,520
there's things that we know that
we're not going.

821
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,960
To every Liquid team should have
worked out.

822
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,360
Fine, fine.
Liquid team as well.

823
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,840
We know.
Certain man on that.

824
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,680
There's things that we know that
we're not going to say on the

825
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,640
podcast, but that Liquid team
did not work out, and a large

826
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,240
part of it was due to Cadian.
Yeah, look at Australis.

827
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,000
And I'm not saying that team
should have been winning

828
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:34,960
trophies because he fucking
shouldn't have, but like, do you

829
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,600
know what I mean?
Like, it didn't go well there,

830
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,680
right?
Which isn't great.

831
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,240
Yeah, yeah, they got much
better.

832
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,720
I think self self self defence
is self defence and I will not

833
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,440
elaborate either.
Like, yeah, like he, he, he

834
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:52,280
clearly, he clearly is difficult
to work with, is probably

835
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,200
overarching it.
But like, there's a reason his

836
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,520
two star players stabbed him in
the back, right?

837
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,200
And there's a reason he was like
blacklisted from every day in

838
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,320
his team before.
Like he must.

839
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,720
He must be quite difficult to
get on with behind the scenes.

840
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:09,600
It's difficult to believe
because he's like the nicest

841
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,720
guy.
He's really nice.

842
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,160
I think he just might be a
little bit stubborn.

843
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,520
I want people to challenge that,
I think.

844
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,920
I think people who were star
players or better than him

845
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,880
statistically will be like might
come and do the whole let me do

846
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,520
this and he'll say no, let me
call whatever.

847
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,040
Go on, do it in a bad Danish
accent.

848
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,160
I know you wanted to we're.
Going to win the title, that's

849
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,280
all I can.
Say you're going to win the

850
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,760
title.
That's the only accent I can do,

851
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,120
the only phrase.
I just don't think it takes

852
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,560
much.
Fucking much.

853
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,880
He doesn't take much fucking
that.

854
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,320
That wraps us up, I think, on
Katie.

855
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,080
You know, if there's anything
more that needs to be said.

856
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,960
Yeah, he doesn't take much.
Fucking doesn't.

857
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,760
Take.
Much fucking as we as I alluded

858
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,040
to, there is somebody who has an
idea who, oh geez, fish should

859
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,240
be, we said.
They must be.

860
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,600
They must be.
They must be signing somebody

861
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,680
good if they're going to have
Katie and to replace his two

862
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,840
roles.
They must be our old friend

863
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,080
taken of taken of the weak fame
has a great idea.

864
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,040
And for those of you who don't
have video he has suggested and

865
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600
I would like to I would like to
clarify he he starts this with

866
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,440
unironically.
He's not joking unironically.

867
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,720
I would say plus B mass from
Monty for OG's fifth spot as

868
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,200
opposed to the other B mass.
He has experience.

869
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,800
I can't imagine he's that
expensive.

870
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,080
He could help Katie in a bit.
None of those, none of those

871
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:43,400
phrases mentioned B Mass being
any good, which I think is quite

872
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,720
telling.
It's not a single part of this

873
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:50,160
sentence where he says he's a
good player, he has experience

874
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:54,400
of losing, he's not that
expensive, and he could help

875
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,320
Katie in a bit with what?
Because not because it's not

876
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,960
Counter Strike.
And I said I was AB mass

877
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,440
believer for a long, long time.
I do like.

878
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,920
That I don't dislike B mass.
I do.

879
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,600
After that just said otherwise I
would say SUSP and he can join.

880
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,840
He's Adam B again.
Big fan of the podcast.

881
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,880
Which is cute.
Yeah, big fan of Adam B me.

882
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,680
I think SUSP is a reasonable
callously, yeah.

883
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,800
I do, yeah, is a lot more
reasonable.

884
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,880
I don't really hate to be
misujusted honestly.

885
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,280
Like it seems the kind of move
that OG would do.

886
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,720
I think that's the issue it
seems.

887
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,240
That's why I hate it.
It seems possible, that's why I

888
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,320
hate it.
It's something OG would do, ergo

889
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,760
it's a terrible idea.
The realistic the realistic

890
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,840
rumour, though you may unkind,
I'm.

891
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,960
Not sure that no I I I wasn't
sure what word I was going to

892
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,360
say to be honest.
But I'm not really sure that's

893
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,200
fair on OG anymore.
I know that we're very used to

894
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,600
tier one OG being like
particularly stinky and only

895
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,800
signing shit players, but like.
Tier one OG is so generous.

896
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,600
But they were playing in every
tier one event for some fucking

897
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:21,160
reason.
But before this Canadian move

898
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,160
that we can't really wrap our
heads around and you know, if it

899
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,600
works great for them, I guess
they were actually making pretty

900
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:34,800
smart moves for a year, like
Tier 2 OG this year has actually

901
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,440
because they've been quite well.
Then they've made so many moves,

902
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640
some of them are going to be
good eventually, no?

903
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,960
But they've had a string of
goods, right?

904
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,840
Yeah, and then they signed
Kadian like it's clearly just

905
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,240
luck.
But I think that's just name

906
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:58,640
value danger in it.
Yeah, because they so I would

907
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,680
say that's why they signed Arrow
thoughts as well, though,

908
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,080
because he'd heard of him.
It's a sweet rice.

909
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,640
No, I don't know.
I don't know.

910
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
I I feel like I feel like John
sweet rice.

911
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,160
They have like.
Buzz on the bench.

912
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,200
They have buzz on the bench.
Yeah, yeah.

913
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,120
But he was gone a while ago.
At this point I feel like John

914
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,800
Sweet Rice was more just like he
still had some residual like

915
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,240
residual.
Rep Aura.

916
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,080
Where it wasn't a bad signing,
but it turns out that like.

917
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,280
Yeah, yeah, I I actually like
him.

918
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,280
He is just crap like I won't I
won't criticize why they made

919
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,200
that signing.
No, it's just more like.

920
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,520
OK, so for a name, I think who,
who are they actually going to

921
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,480
get?
Who do you think?

922
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,080
Well, if we click on the tweet
from you can trust every word

923
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,880
that comes out of his mouth.
That was a segue.

924
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:04,760
Flamus, apparently.
I mean, yeah, isn't he on like

925
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,680
AVP terrorism, buyout contract,
prison so.

926
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Isn't it?
Isn't it something like?

927
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,960
A I don't know if OG.
Have money, I think it's a four

928
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,680
year contract and a 1,000,000
buyout.

929
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,800
But on on OG having money,
didn't they recently raise quite

930
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,640
a lot of money through like
some?

931
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,840
They sold their those two team
if I remember.

932
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Are they?
Yeah, yeah, but then they also

933
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,640
have a like a fun funding round,
whatever the fucking term.

934
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,320
Is oh, I don't know why they.
Sold.

935
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Gill Scout.
Cookies.

936
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,440
I think they got a few million
from that and they also did say

937
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,360
that.
They're and they're going to

938
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,200
spend it on flammers.
Reaffirming their ambition,

939
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,080
whatever that means.
OG probably should have some

940
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,480
money so maybe a big money move
for Flamus isn't out of the

941
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,280
question because VP are going to
want to recoup most of that

942
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,440
million they paid for him.
Jesus Christ OG.

943
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,400
They didn't pay a million for.
Flamus OG OG, if you're

944
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,240
listening.
If you are listening, do not, do

945
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:14,760
not, do not spend 700K on
flamus.

946
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,320
It's not going to move the
needle you.

947
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Do yeah, do not, I mean.
If you can get him on load good

948
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,720
Flamish is not really good.
My problem is not.

949
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,480
Not 700K Good.
It's not even that it's there's

950
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,640
like 3 players in the world OG
could sign that would make them

951
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,480
like relevant.
Like don't spend loads of money

952
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,880
on one player when you have Adam
B on the team.

953
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,800
Do you know what I mean?
Like do you know what I mean?

954
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,640
Like it's like, that's not even
a criticism of Adam B It's like.

955
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,640
Respectful.
You aren't going to you're not

956
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,000
going to be top ten in the world
when the rest of your team is

957
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,720
Katie and Adam B Arrostos and
Spooky.

958
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,280
But I don't care how good Famous
is, you ain't Dong so you ain't

959
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,800
going to be top 10.
But yeah, I guess if they like

960
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:08,440
keep.
Promise is good.

961
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,560
Though like if if they do keep
making those changes though,

962
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,840
like Flamus is a very good
starting point, that would

963
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,400
probably end up being yeah, the
the one that you just build

964
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,560
around for the next three
changes.

965
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,960
You made just don't spend loads
on him.

966
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,640
That's just like that's just
going to be a bad idea.

967
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,880
If you can get him for cheap, I
like it.

968
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,760
If you can't, there's other,
there's other Russians, there's

969
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,080
other like Russian speaking
players who you know.

970
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,760
I've got a total experiment for
us.

971
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,480
Oh God.
Which prisons were VP, contract

972
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,240
jail or playing with Kadian in
2025?

973
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,440
I mean.
I think he's not playing the

974
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,600
game better.
Yeah, I think so, because like

975
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,840
I, you can just play Pugs at
home if you're in contract

976
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,240
prison.
Well VP have also let Flamus and

977
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,160
other bench people play in a
couple of like smaller online

978
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,680
things and like Little Mix
teams.

979
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,800
They're not that fast.
Whereas if you're on a team

980
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Kadian, you, you, you are stuck
with him.

981
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Yeah, you have to be asked
because he, you know, he's going

982
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,120
to be like Royal.
He's going to be really bothered

983
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,520
about winning like third.
Place playoffs like I actually

984
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,920
do quite like Kadian.
I always thought he was fun.

985
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,240
I really like.
He's a nice guy.

986
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,680
He's lovely.
He's a nice boy that that heroic

987
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,680
team was one of the most fun
teams I think I've ever watched,

988
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:41,920
really.
You're good to watch.

989
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,280
I did this right fine.
Like the the way they played was

990
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,560
great so it's just a shame that
like CS2 just made him a bit

991
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:55,440
rubbish.
Yeah, it it like CS2 really did

992
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,280
go OK, Yeah.
Do you have anything else to

993
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,320
talk about Blast Rivals?
Yeah, yeah.

994
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,480
Here's a full experiment.
Before.

995
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:09,480
Yeah, we do.
Is there anyone that CS2

996
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,720
actually like halted their
career?

997
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320
I'm going to say not counting
simple because I think that was

998
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,440
CS2 and other factors more than
Cadian.

999
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,400
Not more than.
There's others that were

1000
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,160
affected but I don't think
anyone was affected more let.

1001
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,720
Me think who else would you say?
I know there's there's obviously

1002
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,560
answers to the opposite but.
I was just saying Brokey with

1003
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,200
the Ashes that like Fate was
still good at the start of CS2,

1004
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,440
but I think he's definitely
like, I think just always in

1005
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,480
general, right, have suffered.
Yeah, I was going to say some

1006
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,360
pious for a bit.
He's now fine.

1007
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,920
But then some like like.
He's not great still.

1008
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,480
Honestly, we never we never saw
Duncan go right, but I think

1009
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,800
like CS2 just does like lean
into his mechanics and and the

1010
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,240
what his play style quite well,
right.

1011
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,880
Jane.
Yeah, Jane, Actually Jane.

1012
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,920
Yeah, of the ruler, actually.
I mean, he's now built himself

1013
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,720
up on para vision.
But I I from what I'm told, they

1014
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,000
play a bit of a different style.
They're a little bit more

1015
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,840
aggressive.
It's it's like an adapted

1016
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,840
version of VP for like worse
players is what I'm told.

1017
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,160
But they're a little bit more
aggressive.

1018
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,680
Not that they could be any less
aggressive.

1019
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,800
Yeah, I think, I think like all
the players we've named have

1020
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,280
been offers, which is quite
telling.

1021
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,560
It's shouldn't.
You shouldn't.

1022
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,240
You used to pay to win a gun.
Then should you really?

1023
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,000
Well, yeah, quite some.
Fucking pride I'm.

1024
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,960
Trying to think if there's any
riflers who've just been like

1025
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,400
they just got one shot by it.
Like I don't think it's possible

1026
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,320
for a rifler to be completely
watched up by sister I mean me.

1027
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,320
Ben, Me.
Ben, Me.

1028
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,720
Fucking move on, move on.
Let's make some fucking.

1029
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:03,360
Who ruined it now?
Blast Rivals that starts is it

1030
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,840
tomorrow as we record today as
you're available if you're not

1031
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,560
listening, if it's already
started, when you're listening,

1032
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,440
if it was yesterday grow up.
You should have you should have

1033
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,080
been listening yesterday.
Blast Rivals is in Hong Kong in

1034
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,480
Czech.
Labcock still there that's.

1035
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:24,480
Good.
One.

1036
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,480
Yeah, this is another one that's
on early in the morning for us,

1037
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,040
for US Westerners, that was
brilliant.

1038
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,880
We we begin with a game that is
absolutely not worth waking up

1039
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:41,200
at 2:00 in the morning for.
It is the Mongols with control

1040
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,160
controllers versus Passion USA.
Can we please refer to by this

1041
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,040
government name of Una Delegate
Controllers?

1042
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Barton, Jargle.
Absolute biblical.

1043
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,920
I'm pretty sure Bartha means
hero, but I don't know what the

1044
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,680
rest means.
No, I we did, we were doing

1045
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,240
coverage.
I think we like translated it.

1046
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,400
And I think Barthenjargal means
like if it isn't like today is a

1047
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,600
blessing, but twice like I think
his whole, his whole name is

1048
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,040
like Thursday, today is a
blessing.

1049
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,440
Maybe that's when he was born, I
don't know.

1050
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,360
But it's amazing.
That's a great blessing.

1051
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,760
He is really good and Passion UA
are really, really, really

1052
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,360
rubbish and they don't play the
game anymore.

1053
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,640
They just, I think that they
signed to Passion and they just

1054
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,360
stopped playing.
I haven't seen them.

1055
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,320
Yeah, ironically, yeah, it's.
Actually really odd.

1056
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,720
Like Charlie?
Just just go on their own,

1057
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,200
really.
Go on their profile real quick

1058
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,920
and look at when their last game
was.

1059
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,600
They just, they just don't play
the game.

1060
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,080
It's really strange.
September is that they haven't

1061
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,280
played for for a month and 1/2.
I did wonder where they'd.

1062
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,760
Got I've not heard and they and
they've won lost in the 1st and

1063
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,120
that being a LAN, is it even a
LAN?

1064
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,920
Like was that a lot?
I'm assuming it's a LAN.

1065
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,400
But they were clearly doing OK
as well.

1066
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,560
And then like, have they been on
a month from camp?

1067
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,400
And we're just like, right,
we're not playing any officials

1068
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,640
in this time.
Like I I would like the absence

1069
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:19,640
explained actually.
Well, I don't have the answer,

1070
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,080
so you're going to have to find
it for somebody else.

1071
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,440
Yeah, lack of comfort in the
crotch.

1072
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,160
But they'll they'll be at the
major.

1073
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,000
So maybe they would just like,
you know, they're building up a

1074
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,880
massive strap book for the major
while everyone else is grinding,

1075
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,760
wasting all their idea.
Like, yeah, we've talked about

1076
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,840
how teams run out of ideas by
the end of the season because

1077
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,600
they've just been running the
same strap book and they've had

1078
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,720
no time to go up.
They've got, they've had so much

1079
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,600
time.
JT and TC are in the lab cooking

1080
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,800
up new flash banks to throw that
their players can then whip on.

1081
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,680
This is.
Yeah, I I just don't want to

1082
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,520
watch this.
I don't.

1083
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,040
Mongols are better than I
thought they were going to be,

1084
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,320
but they're still worse than
they were.

1085
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,840
And that's so sad.
Go on.

1086
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,920
Do you think if if passengers
didn't come back, would we care

1087
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,800
if they just like if, if this
break just was forever and and

1088
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,160
like, would you miss them?
I don't.

1089
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,440
Think I'd have noticed if they
weren't at the same time, but.

1090
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,960
Precisely that, right I'd.
Probably eventually be like, oh

1091
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,280
we should, we should get Holzerk
on a team now.

1092
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,240
But the rest of them?
Yeah.

1093
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,520
Fucking couldn't get a bunch of
shit.

1094
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,560
We could just.
Get yeah maybe is fem.

1095
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,480
Good.
No idea.

1096
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,600
Fem's probably joining for that,
isn't he?

1097
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,120
Oh.
God, yeah, eventually.

1098
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,560
I hate everything you've just
said.

1099
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Hey, everything that's just
happened, everything's just been

1100
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,040
said.
Let's move on.

1101
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,880
Thankfully, the second game of
this event is an absolute thigh

1102
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,760
rubber giga banger fucking must
watch.

1103
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,160
Get off whatever time it is for
you.

1104
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,360
It's half four for us get off
and watch this.

1105
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,600
It's spirit versus Falcons.
It's just thank you, thank you,

1106
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,840
thank you very much for the
start has been shit.

1107
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,080
But look at that main course,
man.

1108
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,640
Look at it.
Get that down my throat.

1109
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,680
Rupe is just evil isn't it?
It's like 3 of the top top five

1110
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,120
whether you agree or not.
And the Mongols.

1111
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:25,760
And and the make a wish team.
Not good is it?

1112
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,560
How's that happened?
I know it's an 8 team tournament

1113
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:30,800
kind.
Of, well, it's.

1114
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,240
A farce anyway.
But it's because only four of

1115
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,280
them are vRS invites.
The other four were wild card

1116
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,520
invites.
Yeah, there's a lot of wild.

1117
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,000
Card Invites Falcons are a wild
card team.

1118
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,360
So it's definitely just a joke
of an event then?

1119
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,120
ESL she'll.
Ignoring the contracts that I

1120
01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:01,000
have with Blast, I do think
Rivals is a pretty crappy

1121
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,600
format.
Yeah, I I think Rivals should be

1122
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,200
changed for next year.
Like I don't really see the

1123
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,720
point in it to be honest.
Like if.

1124
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,040
It's able to be honest.
Blast bounty is cool, but blast

1125
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,280
rather they don't care.
Spirit Mongols theory of Italia.

1126
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,320
Yeah, I I just think with
rivals, like it just doesn't, it

1127
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,600
just doesn't make sense.
Like it's meant to be the

1128
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,560
biggest event of your Blast
season.

1129
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,840
By the way, HLTV lists them
wrong.

1130
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,200
They're just meant to be called
Blast tournament location now,

1131
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:40,800
not season 2.
But like it's your biggest event

1132
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,320
of your season but it's also
your smallest event in terms of

1133
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,640
teams.
And it's not even just using vRS

1134
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,680
invites which I don't think they
can anyway because it's only 8

1135
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,640
teams.
Like it just doesn't make sense

1136
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,760
to me as a tournament.
But it's not why a passion UA

1137
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,280
there if it's meant to be your
biggest event.

1138
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,000
I don't want to be rude and and
I also don't want to like be

1139
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,800
shilling for vRS either but like
if half the team defending can

1140
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,240
be wild card invites, that seems
like you're not really following

1141
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,920
vRS at all then.
It would kind of be fine if they

1142
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,760
didn't invite paying.
I think it might be an exception

1143
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,800
because of how much vRS rules
have changed this year, but I

1144
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,800
also just think right.
It's all bollocks.

1145
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,520
If we're leaving best of wands
in the past and best of three

1146
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,800
finals in the past, can we leave
18 tournaments in the past?

1147
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,240
Actually the point in them.
They are a bit shit, aren't

1148
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,840
they?
They really.

1149
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,760
Do have to agree?
And this doesn't.

1150
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,080
Even this should be the
playoffs.

1151
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,160
I mean it shouldn't be the
playoffs because passing UA in

1152
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,240
it.
This should be the playoffs. 18

1153
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,840
playoffs are following.
But it doesn't even have like

1154
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,880
the insulation that like an old
blast event used to have where

1155
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,080
like you say what you want about
the blast partner system, but it

1156
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:02,360
did mean that typically you were
getting like at least seven,

1157
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,240
like 6 or seven of the top ten
teams in the world at every

1158
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,520
blast event.
And like, they were, they were

1159
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,160
good.
Old blast events were good.

1160
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,080
But this is just the worst
version of the old blast system.

1161
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,120
So yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I say I liked

1162
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,560
Bounty.
I like Blast Bounty.

1163
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:22,960
But you know what?
Sorry I.

1164
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,680
Was going to say if we talked
about the last two games and

1165
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,040
fuck off.
Oh yeah, why not?

1166
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,080
Furia versus pain?
Furia 2.

1167
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:35,080
Nil Vitality.
Tyloo Vitality. 2/1.

1168
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,080
There's, I mean, it feels weird
to say there's more chance of

1169
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,160
Vitality dropping a map to Tyloo
than Fury dropping on to pay.

1170
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,880
And that's not a comment on Pain
or Tyloo.

1171
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,480
No, I agree.
Vitality like The thing is if Ty

1172
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:02,000
Lu pick like train or ancient
like they've got a chance but Ty

1173
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,240
Lu won't pick train because they
it confuses them.

1174
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,640
Don't Ty Luke play an OK amount.
Of train, I've no idea.

1175
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,760
Trains in China.
They literally, yeah, but they

1176
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,280
literally like every time I
watch Ty Luke play, they're

1177
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,360
playing Mirage.
Ricardo.

1178
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,880
I don't like, I think they
actually do play quite a lot of

1179
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,200
train.
Like I've only ever seen Mirage.

1180
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:31,320
In the VO lads.
I just like to say Inferno is

1181
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,680
their first pick on HFTV because
they've played it 11 times in

1182
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,480
the last few months with eight
losses.

1183
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,440
It's like they're.
Statistically bad words.

1184
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,120
It's their first book I love.
It I just I just.

1185
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,520
A closing point.
Sorry, Jack, if you've got

1186
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,760
something to say, you go.
I just don't think this events.

1187
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,600
I just I just don't care.
Like the first, the team that

1188
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,760
wins it maybe has a bet a higher
chance of putting the major.

1189
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,360
I just don't care.
And it's not like I'm trying not

1190
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,120
to be ESL shell man, but the
time zone fucking sucks.

1191
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,800
Like I have to be awake for
Chengdu.

1192
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,360
I I don't have to watch, so I
won't be.

1193
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:21,120
Maybe I'll watch my OPS, but
it's not like good games, are

1194
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,279
they?
They're just not good.

1195
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,279
No, a lot of them aren't, but.
Spirit Falcons is I just don't

1196
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,479
care.
As your final point, Charlie,

1197
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,399
could you just go on to Ty Lou's
HLTV page please, and then click

1198
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,520
on stats and just Scroll down to
their map win statistics in the

1199
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,120
past three months?
Great, I love them.

1200
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,560
These are absolutely.
Terrible and for people.

1201
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,800
Yeah, they say they have 11
games on Inferno.

1202
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:55,000
For people who don't have video
so train, they've played five

1203
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,080
times, they have a 60% win rate,
Overpass they've played five

1204
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,399
times.
That's three wins, percent win

1205
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,479
rate.
Mirage, they've played five

1206
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,319
times.
They have a 40% win rate.

1207
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,279
Inferno, as Elliott said,
they've played eleven times and

1208
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:14,040
they have a 27.3% win rate,
which is three wins.

1209
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:18,680
Ancient they've played four
times, winning one, and Nuke,

1210
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,760
they've played six times,
winning one.

1211
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,920
Their map pool is actually
abysmal.

1212
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,040
That is one of the worst map
pools you'll ever see.

1213
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,840
How are they even that's?
Pretty bad.

1214
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,200
So I just had a look at as well
who they beat on train and

1215
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,080
overpass just for some.
Just for some reference, they

1216
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,600
beat Australis on both.
They beat B8 Australis and Fluxo

1217
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:45,359
on train with losses to 3D Maxim
Fanatic, which is about, you

1218
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,120
know, it's kind of fine for that
level.

1219
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,399
They beat Australis 3D Max and
Lynn Vision on Overpass with

1220
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:55,640
losses to Mongols and B8, which
is kind of like fine, but those

1221
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,080
are their two best maps.
And then you go to like Inferno,

1222
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,960
which as we mentioned is kind of
their first pick.

1223
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,320
And it's like, yeah, they beat
they beat Liquid game Legion and

1224
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,760
Lynn Vision and lost to everyone
else.

1225
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,320
They lost Australis Vitality.
I mean, Vitality battered them

1226
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,120
at esports World Cup.
That's a while ago 3D Max Aurora

1227
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,880
fanatic phase, Falcons and Payne
have all beaten them on inferno,

1228
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,120
which is like their home map
they've got like very few of

1229
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,560
those games.
They've even got double figures

1230
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,560
as well.
They've got double figures

1231
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,720
because Aurora fanatic pain.
The rest are all like 13 eight

1232
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:38,560
to thirteen 5:00-ish.
But if they get trained, they

1233
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,640
can beat vitality on it and if
vitality band train and pick

1234
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:49,080
ancient, I actually think
vitality or 20, but that's quite

1235
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,680
brave because they don't really
play ancient.

1236
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,440
Yeah, I the opening games are a
little other than the Falcons 1.

1237
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:00,800
It's a little uninteresting, but
there's enough good teams here

1238
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,080
that playoffs should be pretty
good as long as this it'll.

1239
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,400
Probably have a good.
It's just, it's just predictable

1240
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,560
until Friday, isn't it?
Yeah.

1241
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,920
Yeah, it is, but you never know.
You never know.

1242
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,320
Maybe Ty Lue make it happen in
Hong Kong.

1243
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,840
Who knows?
It was political.

1244
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,600
I was deliberately avoiding
political statement there

1245
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,360
because last week we made about
15.

1246
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,600
Is there anything else to talk
about?

1247
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,240
Is there anything else to talk
about?

1248
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,920
I feel like we've we've talked
about everything.

1249
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,280
We've talked about Newsweek,
isn't it?

1250
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:46,880
Slow Newsday.
I will say, just just sort of

1251
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,560
touching back on Chengdu, it was
a good event.

1252
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,800
It was a really good event.
Yeah, I enjoy.

1253
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,720
Good games, good results.
I, I tend to write off the

1254
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,080
Aussie and and Asian events
generally.

1255
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,680
I just kind of don't watch them.
I'm glad I was working it.

1256
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,320
I'm glad I watched it.
I actually really enjoyed it.

1257
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,880
So yeah, time zones, you know,
always suck.

1258
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:15,840
But it's a good event and that's
all I have to say about it.

1259
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:21,360
It was good.
You got any closing words?

1260
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:28,440
Leave the people with.
I stand by my earlier statement

1261
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:37,100
on the Unabomber.
Don't give me a trust.

1262
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:41,500
I've been.
I have been earlier Azs.

1263
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,320
That's been Sam Anamov, the guy
who liked the Unabomber.

1264
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,360
We distanced ourselves from him.
That's Jack, the train guy.

1265
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,760
I just, I think that's still the
most famous thing you've ever

1266
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,560
done.
Till I become the Unabomber.

1267
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,840
Till you, Jesus Christ.
I will worship.

1268
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,640
You forget what I said about the
political sentence.

1269
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,640
Yeah, let's see you last.
Week don't don't open your

1270
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,560
letters.
Apart from the newsletter, you

1271
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,760
should open the TLVR newsletter.
The Unibomber cannot put a bum

1272
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,840
in the e-mail bye.